Posted on 08/25/2010 9:52:33 AM PDT by 444Flyer
Government agents can sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, put a GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of everywhere you go. This doesn't violate your Fourth Amendment rights, because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway - and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements.
That is the bizarre - and scary - rule that now applies in California and eight other Western states. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which covers this vast jurisdiction, recently decided the government can monitor you in this way virtually anytime it wants - with no need for a search warrant.
It is a dangerous decision - one that, as the dissenting judges warned, could turn America into the sort of totalitarian state imagined by George Orwell. It is particularly offensive because the judges added insult to injury with some shocking class bias: the little personal privacy that still exists, the court suggested, should belong mainly to the rich.
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This is completely twisted and violates every right to freedom, privacy, liberty and the right to be secure in our persons. Your car is private property is it not? What gives the Gov the power to alter your car by adding a foreign device to it?
Amendment IV
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
What they are attempting is a 'search' for information on private individuals by using GPS tracking. And they do this by trespassing on private property without notifying the owner let alone attempting to get their consent. It is clearly unconstitutional.
Can’t they do this with Onstar, etc. anyway? The cell phone (sat phone?) has already been used to listen in to conversations in the vehicle.
Nor, unless as a California National Guard Officer, you too find yourself among others also on High Alert. With the same "packed bags, ready to go" status and perhaps informed of a "FEMA Camp" set up at El Toro to help deal with the "situation".
Whether this is a purely localized California "alert" or much wider, remains to be seen.
With the Administration creating a privileged, "protected" class out of potential Moslem terrorists and putting Moslem supporters into high policy level decision making positions in Homeland Security and in the White House does this signify something unusual along the lines of that mindset?
Are they aware of something about to blow up in our face? Perhaps from those they are shielding? Enquiring minds would like to know.
WITHOUT disclosing any classified information let us know if you have comments or opinions about this.
Sure they could. They've seen pictures of the Constitution, but they've studied the Communist Manifesto.
They could put something inside my bike (Gary Fisher, not a Harley), but it would fail because I never touch the thing.
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This one’s going to the SCOTUS. The federal court in DC just recently overturned the leader of a major drug ring because the cops had put a gps system on his car without a warrant. So we have a conflict between the jurisdictions.
Tyranny, plain and simple.
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They better be good a sneaking. Where I live no one gives a sweet eff about what the law is. Sneaking around on anyones property here can get a person killed, with any body disposed at the nearest pig farm. Seriously. Warrentless searches are just not tolerated by anyone, and people sneaking around at night, especially around homes and automobiles are treated like any wild animal molesting ones property, or a pervert trying to peak into windows, or a robber attempting a B & E. Very dangerous for anyone to do, including federal government agents breaking the law of the state.
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I expect the FCC would fine you heavily (like 4 figures heavily) if you were caught with one of those.
If I found one, I would hook it up to one of the local garbage trucks in the area, or a taxi cab.
>>>>I’d be surprised if this decision isn’t overturned by the SCOTUS.
>>I’ll be surprised if it is. The police state advances regardless of party.
Me too. BTW, I looked up the decision, and the 3-judge panel from the 9th. Two Reagan and one Bush appointee, IIRC, or maybe the other way around.
You are right. You can’t rely on the effectiveness of these jamming devices.
If you’re really serious about not getting tracked, then you should get one of those undercarriage inspection mirrors, a kind of mirror on wheels with a handle that border guards and building guards use to look for bombs strapped to the undersides of vehicles.
I can’t imagine anybody tracking me and my commute is by subway and anybody who wants to know where I go every day could probably find out in about 5 minutes but if I used my car more often or lived in a western state and had any reason to think these creepy crawly manson-like fed-agents were going to stick something on the bottom of my car, I’d get a mirror and inspect my car every once in awhile.
But then I guess the question becomes, what do you do if you find one of those devices? If you touch it, are you breaking the law?
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