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The Mosque & the 1st Amendment

Posted on 08/17/2010 5:44:16 PM PDT by NCBraveheart

I have a question that maybe an attorney out here can help me with. The issue of the Ground Zero mosque is being framed as a freedom of religion issue. I understand that we are guaranteed the right to exercise our religion free from gov't interference. Does this freedom extend to being able to build a house of worship wherever you demand to?


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1 posted on 08/17/2010 5:44:17 PM PDT by NCBraveheart
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To: NCBraveheart

“being able to build a house of worship wherever you demand to”

Or the honor killing of your daughter because the hussy looked at a non muzzie boy.


2 posted on 08/17/2010 5:45:53 PM PDT by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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To: NCBraveheart

The WTC Victory Mosque is New York’s version of the Al Aqsa Mosque on the ruins of the Temple Mount.


3 posted on 08/17/2010 5:46:17 PM PDT by counterpunch (Imam B'araq Hussein Mohammad 0bama, President of the 57 States of Islam.)
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Their RE-building fund is going to have to be bottomless.


4 posted on 08/17/2010 5:48:20 PM PDT by jessduntno (Is Barack the Kenyan word for barracks? You know, a place where many men are lodged?)
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To: NCBraveheart

If a bunch of crazed zombie mormons highjacked 2 planes into the Golden Gate Bridge, they would not be allowed to build a tabernacle adjacent to the site. But they would still be allowed to build a tabernacle somewhere and worship in it. The issue is one of respect for a site sacred to the national honour.


5 posted on 08/17/2010 5:49:16 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: NCBraveheart
Does this freedom extend to being able to build a house of worship wherever you demand to?

No, you cannot build it on land you don't own, in a neighborhood not zoned for a house of worship, or the like. But if what you plan to build is otherwise legal, the Government can't discriminate against you based on your religion-- they can't say that a church would be legal on this lot but a mosque wouldn't.

6 posted on 08/17/2010 5:51:48 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: NCBraveheart; All
John Adams, Treaty of Tripoli:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

7 posted on 08/17/2010 5:52:20 PM PDT by j.argese (Liberal thought process = oxymoron)
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To: NCBraveheart
NO The Greek Orthodox church next to them is unable to rebuild in the area as NY hassled them out of existence. What if Japan built a shrine next to the Arizona in Pearl harbor or if we built a Church next to the nuclear blast sites in Japan? There is a Mosque 12 blocks away and over 100 in the area. Why do they want to stick a thumb in our eye. Man talk about hate speech.
8 posted on 08/17/2010 5:53:25 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: NCBraveheart

Well its good to see the Lib’s are whipping the Constitution out and reading it finally. This means they will stand to it as they are trying to say right now when the question is turned to gun rights and a city, county, or state tries to make a law stating you do not have the right to bear arms... Oh wait that has already happen and the Lib’s forgot about it already!

This is not about the first amendment rights, No one is being denied freedom of their religion. Right now there are many zoning ordinances which prevent church’s in various locations so whats new?

If the purpose of this mosque is for unity then some true though should have been given before announcing this and pushing it on the people whom do not want it. IE research which would have shown it as a no-go. But unity is not the intent. To be in your face is the purpose and this just plays right into their hands. But if it can be stopped they will be sorry they pushed it this far because they will have lost major political ground and We The People will have shown whom counts in the end.

Don’t stop the pressure on our leaders and media!


9 posted on 08/17/2010 5:54:14 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: NCBraveheart

The Victory Mosque has encountered no read tape but the Greek OOrthodox Church that was there for 200 years and was destroyed on 911 by Muslims has been blocked for 9 years from rebuilding. The church OWNS the land.


10 posted on 08/17/2010 5:54:23 PM PDT by Frantzie (Obama & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE)
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To: NCBraveheart

It is not a first amendment issue but a wouldn’t be prudent issue.


11 posted on 08/17/2010 5:54:42 PM PDT by vicar7
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To: NCBraveheart

My bet is this mosque building project was a part of the original PLAN to destroy the WTC.

that such a detail would ever be made public is highly unlikely


12 posted on 08/17/2010 5:55:18 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey
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To: NCBraveheart

No, the Constitution recognizes the right to worship as your conscience dictates. Where you worship is another question.

If I want to build a church over an existing interstate highway I will be told to take a hike. And rightly so. (Not just because it’s a church, though.)


13 posted on 08/17/2010 5:59:44 PM PDT by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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Finally someone answered my question


14 posted on 08/17/2010 6:05:45 PM PDT by NCBraveheart (BARACK OBAMA....A GIANT SACK OF SUCK!)
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To: j.argese

Oh, yes, this out-of-context quote was sure to surface. All power to the Musselmen! Who gives a crap what the Christian majority in this country wants!


15 posted on 08/17/2010 6:09:44 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (There is no "common good" which minimizes or sacrifices the individual. --Walter Scott Hudson)
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To: NCBraveheart
You also have the political/religious freedom to take a Koran. Pour gasoline on it and set it on fire. Then shove it in a toilet or a Mason's jar and call it art.

But it probably is not a good idea. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

There are higher laws than the Constitution. Obama isn't aware of higher laws.

16 posted on 08/17/2010 6:15:42 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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"Does this freedom extend to being able to build a house of worship wherever you demand to?"

Simple answer......no. The Constitution offers freedom to PRACTICE your religion. It says nothing about zoning for churches, synagogues, and/or mosques.

17 posted on 08/17/2010 6:18:42 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: NCBraveheart
From today forward I will use Rush's new moniker,

IMAM OBAMA !!

18 posted on 08/17/2010 6:21:00 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: j.argese
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

A false stalking horse that's trotted out by the left from time to time. According to Wikipedia (which hardly can be considered a conservative site): "The translation of the Treaty of Tripoli by Barlow has been found faulty, and there is doubt whether Article 11 in the version of the treaty ratified by Congress corresponds to anything of the same purport in the Arabic version.[20] In 1931 Hunter Miller completed a commission by the United States government to analyze United States' treaties and to explain how they function and what they mean to the United States' legal position in relationship with the rest of the world.[21] According to Hunter Miller's notes, "the Barlow translation is at best a poor attempt at a paraphrase or summary of the sense of the Arabic" and "Article 11... does not exist at all."[16]"
19 posted on 08/17/2010 6:22:28 PM PDT by Yet_Again
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What context? Its the 11th Article of a treaty ratified by the Senate and signed by John Adams. A treaty that existed between America and the Barbary pirates of Tripoli.


20 posted on 08/17/2010 6:22:49 PM PDT by j.argese (Liberal thought process = oxymoron)
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