Supreme Court upholds 'birther' sanction (Alito & Thomas okay fine of Taitz)

I cannot fathom why they are tolerated. This new crop is so egregious, so obvious, signup dates today and yesterday, they stink so bad - no one could think they are anything but hirelings or interns. Not even DU volunteers.

>"Where in the Constitution does it say that someone whose parents you don’t like isn’t NBC?"

I may just happen to think the world of Stinky's parents.

Where in the Constitution does it say children of foreigners are eligible for POTUS?

According to Dicey, that's only if the child is born to diplomats, invaders or persons otherwise not subject to the laws of the King at the time of birth. If the aliens are living under the King's rule and are in amity with him, then they are under temporary allegience to the King, and that's all that is necesary for the child to be a natural born subject.

Who are "persons otherwise not subject to the laws of the King at the time of birth" since you're saying they are neither diplomats or invaders?? And who exactly is the King of the United States of America??

Common law does not require permanet allegience of the parents to make the child a natural born subject. Temporary allegience at the time of birth suffices, as in the case of Obama's father.

I agree, Obama fits the definition of a natural born subject, not for the reasons you're tryig to say, however, you seem to be ignoring that WKA stipulated that the parents were permanent residents in making its decision. If there was no difference between permanent and temporary loyalty, there's no reason for it to be in the decision.

Actually, that is precisely the grounds upon which they recognize it.

Wrong. "whether a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States,...

Simply not true. They do not emphasize it.

You are wrong again. Look at the statement I just pasted and notice the big BUT in front of the clause that says the parents have a permanent domicile and residence. By inserting this clause, it becomes a point of emphasis. If it didn't matter, it wouldn't be there.

Obamanoid scum like you have been playing this game for months on end. You know that I spent hours at FR posting reems of material regarding the fraudulent COLB, the sweeper work by Brennans team, the trail of Stanley Ann in Washington State, yet you continue to pretend that record is not there in my posting history at FR. You don't deserve the reapet of material you deny has been posted over and over. Your an obamanoid pissant at a conservative --well, it used to be--website.

You and your obamanoid scum surface daily to try and repeat Axelgreasy's lies and dissembling, and make false accusations like you made, thinking readers will be taken in. THAT mkaes you and your little cabal of Barry the Bastard apologists enemies of the Republic and calculating deceivers working FreeRepublic.

It still surprises me that Jim Robinson has allowed your ilk to continue stinking up FreeRepublic for this long. I am left to believe Jim is so repulsed by the issues that he stays away from these threads and doesn't realize what a scar your ilk are at FR.

You're a bold liar, but still just a scummy little liar. Enjoy your evening at YOUR Freerepublic. Your fascist bosses are planning on closing the free side down when it suits them. Of course, your ilk won't miss it, except that you will no longer have FR where you can lie and deceive readers on threads.

The only aliens required to register are those assumed to be immigrants.

“Men who are not required to register with Selective Service include: nonimmigrant aliens in the U.S. on student, visitor, tourist, or diplomatic visas;...”

I think we both know where Obama’s father fits. Evidently he’s lumped into the same category as a diplomat. Hmmmm.

Mister Robinson, aren’t you the least bit suspicious of these bastards now that they have resorted to echoing between themselves, one taking the ‘good cop’ role, the other taking the ‘bad cop’ role, but both still just role playing in dishonest fashion?

I don’t pay much attention to them. It’s very easy to ignore.

I took a vacation from them for a while. Then scum like El Sordo accuse me of only posting angry screeds. It’s your website, Sir. If wish to share it with this obamanoid scum and their daily lies and dissembling for Barry the Bastard, so be it. I’ll try your method, just hit the ‘ignore’ button on the liars and dissemblers. BTW, is the daily readership stat up or down over the past eight months?

“..accuse me of only posting angry screeds.”

Give me some credit here. I distinctly recall that I mentioned the name calling as well.

Glad that aspect stuck in your tiny brain, since the hours and days of posting data into the record here at FR has fallen from your memory.

It’s hard to forget.

For some reason it struck me as damn near poetic...

Glad that aspect stuck
In your tiny brain
Since the hours and days
Of posting data
Into the record here
At FR has fallen
From your memory

It’s not even good Haiku ... sorry. I’m just sick of the obamanoid scum being allowed to work FR like they do.

Then why did you prevaricate? Habitual?

Let them claim there is no long form.

1st. They and everyone has said all along the COLB is an abstract. That means there is a long form.

2nd. Hawaii already said they have seen Barry O.'s vital records and issued two statements - blah, blah, blah, right?

3rd. Barry O. never had to show his long form BC ever, in his life, for anything? Like obtaining a passport. That one document is better than a drivers license. It saying to the world you are who is contained in the passport document, which is based on an investigation of your background and YOU MUST provide a Birth Certificate as foundational proof of who YOU say you are. From there the State Department does their background check on you and if you are who you say you are with no ammendments, modifications or whatever to your identity they issue it clean.

Most adults can go to a desk or filing cabinet in his house and produce a birth certificate in a few minutes?

Barry O. tried to pass of something that was inconsistent with what the rest of have and know to be a “Birth Certificate”.

The so called COLB has many flaws with it:

His father’s race could never have been listed as “African”. That was not the nomenclature at all, in the 1960’s. So that begins the suspicion of a fraudulent document.
The COLB is also cropped in many of the pictures that claim it is a scan. If it is a scan, why not leave the document and size intact?
The COLB also has no artifacts such paper folds. A scan does not make those disappear and in fact will highlight them.
The COLB that is scanned mysteriously does not show the Seal of Hawaii. Why? Because it was computer generated and not scanned. Guess they forgot to add that back in.
More over, many of us are concerned and want to know why he wasted time producing a document that is inconsistent with what we know a Birth Certificate looks like.

The best part and even more confusing is why he didn't release any of the three Birth Certificates we know already existed before 2007.

His kindergarten records and the BC, that should be there, have mysteriously disappeared.
The BC he used to get into college, apply for loans and most definitely used for his passport. That wasn't available?
Why couldn't he just present the one he found among his mother's belongings upon her death. He waxed on and wondered about it and his father in one of his books. Why not post that one?

Those were most certainly BC’s and not a COLB. There is no reason to create confusion but, for the fact he is hiding something. That something will be discovered, though and this is a long process.

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”

From “Dreams From My Father” (Pg. 26 last paragraph)

So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a "Certification of Live Birth" that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate?

He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mother’s belongings. Why wouldn’t he just slap that one up, for all the world to see?

It seemed important that he found a document that is called a “Birth Certificate” and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.

Hope no one brings up some house fire that vaporized his BC. That was in 1972 and none of the documents listed here would have been affected by that “fishy” event.

It’s beautiful!

I haven’t prevaricated about anything.

Kinda Rod McKuen free form style...made me a little misty-eyed.

Barry O. tried to pass of something that was inconsistent with what the rest of have and know to be a “Birth Certificate”.

The so called COLB has many flaws with it:

•His father’s race could never have been listed as “African”. That was not the nomenclature at all, in the 1960’s. So that begins the suspicion of a fraudulent document.
• The COLB is also cropped in many of the pictures that claim it is a scan. If it is a scan, why not leave the document and size intact?
•The COLB also has no artifacts such paper folds. A scan does not make those disappear and in fact will highlight them.
•The COLB that is scanned mysteriously does not show the Seal of Hawaii. Why? Because it was computer generated and not scanned. Guess they forgot to add that back in.
•More over, many of us are concerned and want to know why he wasted time producing a document that is inconsistent with what we know a Birth Certificate looks like.
The best part and even more confusing is why he didn’t release any of the three Birth Certificates we know already existed before 2007.

•His kindergarten records and the BC, that should be there, have mysteriously disappeared.
•The BC he used to get into college, apply for loans and most definitely used for his passport. That wasn’t available?
•Why couldn’t he just present the one he found among his mother’s belongings upon her death. He waxed on and wondered about it and his father in one of his books. Why not post that one?
Those were most certainly BC’s and not a COLB. There is no reason to create confusion but, for the fact he is hiding something. That something will be discovered, though and this is a long process.

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”

From “Dreams From My Father” (Pg. 26 last paragraph)

So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a “Certification of Live Birth” that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate?

He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mother’s belongings. Why wouldn’t he just slap that one up, for all the world to see?

It seemed important that he found a document that is called a “Birth Certificate” and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.

Hope no one brings up some house fire that vaporized his BC. That was in 1972 and none of the documents listed here would have been affected by that “fishy” event.

If Obama produced a long form birth certificate today, would you believe that is is a valid document?
Would you trust ANY document released under Obama’s authority?
Isn’t it better to have the original document released by the state of Hawaii under subpoena and without Obama’s permission?
My personal opinion is that Obama likes keeping this issue alive and that he has no interest in seeing it go away. He knows that nobody who is demanding his birth certificate is going to vote for him anyway and the issue divides conservatives and solidifies the Obama liberal base.
Obama has gotten the conservative majority on the US Supreme Court, the Republican Governor of Hawaii, the Republican Attorney General of Hawaii, Karl Rove, Ann Coulter, plus Bill O’Reilly and Glen Beck (among many, many others) to carry his water for him on natural born citizen status.
A Tea Party endorsed candidate for the Senate in Colorado Republican primary has called “birthers” “dumbasses” and he lost credibility by his off the record but recorded comment.

On the specific issues that you raise about the COLB, Janice Okubo, Director of Communications for the Hawaii Department of Health has stated that the state of Hawaii has always allowed parents to choose their own racial designation. In the 1960s and even today, many people from sub-Saharan Africa do not identify with the terms “Negro” or “black” as designators. That Barack Obama Senior selected “African” as his designator is not unusual. He was distinguishing himself from an American black person.
If you want to see uncropped scanned images of the Obama COLB, the factcheck.org website has nine different images of the document including extreme close ups of the raised Seal and the Registrar of Vital Statistics’ stamped signature.
The scanned image at factcheck.org shows paper folds.
As already mentioned the scanned images at factcheck.org shows the seal. There is a diffence in scanned detail shown between the scanned image of just the data side of the COLB that was originally posted on fightthesmears.com and the dailykoz.com and the nine detailed scanned images of the COLB on factcheck.org

Here’s a link, click on the COLB images listed under “Supporting Documents” on the left side of the page.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

The bottom line for me is that the state of Hawaii is perfectly capable of issuing a statement or responding to a media inquiry that there is a discrepancy between the scanned image of the Obama COLB and the data on the original abstract at their office. The state of Hawaii has made no such statement and indeed officials up to an including the Republican Governor of Hawaii who endorsed John McCain and made one of Sarah Palin’s nominating speeches has gone out of her way to verify Obama’s birth in Honolulu.

“Its a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this...it’s been established. He was born here.”—Governor of Hawaii Linda Lingle

No, they wouldn’t be biscuits...but they would be born ion an oven, and ‘natural born citizens’ of the oven, if the oven has a government.

Of course, Uncle Chip's oven has a government: Uncle Chip. Now if the female feline of the fable were under Uncle Chip's jurisdiction, and the Tom that caused her confinement was also under that benevolent jurisdiction, why then, the furry little creatures would indeed be "Natural Born Cats," of Uncle Chip's domestic empire. Hurrah!

However, what if said Tom-Cat were from a neighboring jurisdiction? That neighbor could have some reasonable claim to the kittens born under the all-wise patriarchy of Uncle Chip. In similar fashion, the bigamous Kenyan wife-beater with the long string of DUI's, who Barack* Hussein Obama, Jr., our POTUS de facto, claims is the sperm donor in his case, was always under the legal jurisdiction of the Crown, giving said Crown and Colonies-later-set-free some claim on his offspring.

Furthermore, just as one of the kittens born of a foreign Tom in Uncle Chip's oven, could elect, upon reaching maturity, to remain with Uncle Chip, why so he could. Thus, he would be a "Naturalized Cat," rejecting the sovereignty of the crown and becoming a full-fledged (mixed metaphor alert) citizen of the Uncle Chip's empire. He would have the same rights as any other cat-citizen of Uncle Chip's domain. He could run for Feline Senate, ride with feline homos in limousines, meow out strongly against Uncle Chip's way of life, etc. etc. But sorry, he could not be a "Natural Born Cat," and could never run, under Uncle Chip's wise rules, for Top Cat.

Uncle Chip could easily amend this rule of his, and allow his "Naturalized Cat with the foreign Tom Cat as Papa" to run for Top Cat, but, Mr. Rogers, that would require a 2/3 vote of all Freepers, which ain't never gonna happen unless more people are attracted to your reading of the 14th Amendment and the Wong Kim Ark decision. And those kittens in Uncle Chip's Kitchen are just as much muffins as Barack Hussein Obama is a "Natural Born Citizen."

* I feel a thrill run down my leg every time I realize that our POTUS de facto shares the name with Muhammed's (MPBUH) Horse, Barak, which if I recall my extensive oil-field Arabic, means "Lucky."