[Vendome]

 

Let them claim there is no long form.

 

1st.  They and everyone has said all along the COLB is an abstract.  That means there is a long form.

 

2nd.  Hawaii already said they have seen Barry O.'s vital records and issued two statements - blah, blah, blah, right?

 

3rd.  Barry O. never had to show his long form BC ever, in his life, for anything?  Like obtaining a passport.  That one document is better than a drivers license.  It saying to the world you are who is contained in the passport document, which is based on an investigation of your background and YOU MUST provide a Birth Certificate as foundational proof of who YOU say you are.  From there the State Department does their background check on you and if you are who you say you are with no ammendments, modifications or whatever to your identity they issue it clean. 

 

Most adults can go to a desk or filing cabinet in his house and produce a birth certificate in a few minutes?

 

Barry O. tried to pass of something that was inconsistent with what the rest of have and know to be a “Birth Certificate”.

The so called COLB has many flaws with it:

• His father’s race could never have been listed as “African”.  That was not the nomenclature at all, in the 1960’s.  So that begins the suspicion of a fraudulent document.
•  The COLB is also cropped in many of the pictures that claim it is a scan.  If it is a scan, why not leave the document and size intact?
• The COLB also has no artifacts such paper folds.  A scan does not make those disappear and in fact will highlight them.
• The COLB that is scanned mysteriously does not show the Seal of Hawaii.  Why?  Because it was computer generated and not scanned.  Guess they forgot to add that back in.
• More over, many of us are concerned and want to know why he wasted time producing a document that is inconsistent with what we know a Birth Certificate looks like.

 The best part and even more confusing is why he didn't release any of the three Birth Certificates we know already existed before 2007.

• His kindergarten records and the BC, that should be there, have mysteriously disappeared.
• The BC he used to get into college, apply for loans and most definitely used for his passport. That wasn't available?
• Why couldn't he just present the one he found among his mother's belongings upon her death.   He waxed on and wondered about it and his father in one of his books.  Why not post that one?

Those were most certainly BC’s and not a COLB. There is no reason to create confusion but, for the fact he is hiding something. That something will be discovered, though and this is a long process.

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”

From “Dreams From My Father” (Pg. 26 last paragraph)

So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a "Certification of Live Birth" that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate?

He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mother’s belongings.  Why wouldn’t he just slap that one up, for all the world to see?

It seemed important that he found a document that is called a “Birth Certificate” and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.

Hope no one brings up some house fire that vaporized his BC.  That was in 1972 and none of the documents listed here would have been affected by that “fishy” event.

 

[jamese777]

Barry O. tried to pass of something that was inconsistent with what the rest of have and know to be a “Birth Certificate”.

The so called COLB has many flaws with it:

•His father’s race could never have been listed as “African”. That was not the nomenclature at all, in the 1960’s. So that begins the suspicion of a fraudulent document.
• The COLB is also cropped in many of the pictures that claim it is a scan. If it is a scan, why not leave the document and size intact?
•The COLB also has no artifacts such paper folds. A scan does not make those disappear and in fact will highlight them.
•The COLB that is scanned mysteriously does not show the Seal of Hawaii. Why? Because it was computer generated and not scanned. Guess they forgot to add that back in.
•More over, many of us are concerned and want to know why he wasted time producing a document that is inconsistent with what we know a Birth Certificate looks like.
The best part and even more confusing is why he didn’t release any of the three Birth Certificates we know already existed before 2007.

•His kindergarten records and the BC, that should be there, have mysteriously disappeared.
•The BC he used to get into college, apply for loans and most definitely used for his passport. That wasn’t available?
•Why couldn’t he just present the one he found among his mother’s belongings upon her death. He waxed on and wondered about it and his father in one of his books. Why not post that one?
Those were most certainly BC’s and not a COLB. There is no reason to create confusion but, for the fact he is hiding something. That something will be discovered, though and this is a long process.

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”

From “Dreams From My Father” (Pg. 26 last paragraph)

So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a “Certification of Live Birth” that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate?

He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mother’s belongings. Why wouldn’t he just slap that one up, for all the world to see?

It seemed important that he found a document that is called a “Birth Certificate” and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.

Hope no one brings up some house fire that vaporized his BC. That was in 1972 and none of the documents listed here would have been affected by that “fishy” event.

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If Obama produced a long form birth certificate today, would you believe that is is a valid document?
Would you trust ANY document released under Obama’s authority?
Isn’t it better to have the original document released by the state of Hawaii under subpoena and without Obama’s permission?
My personal opinion is that Obama likes keeping this issue alive and that he has no interest in seeing it go away. He knows that nobody who is demanding his birth certificate is going to vote for him anyway and the issue divides conservatives and solidifies the Obama liberal base.
Obama has gotten the conservative majority on the US Supreme Court, the Republican Governor of Hawaii, the Republican Attorney General of Hawaii, Karl Rove, Ann Coulter, plus Bill O’Reilly and Glen Beck (among many, many others) to carry his water for him on natural born citizen status.
A Tea Party endorsed candidate for the Senate in Colorado Republican primary has called “birthers” “dumbasses” and he lost credibility by his off the record but recorded comment.

On the specific issues that you raise about the COLB, Janice Okubo, Director of Communications for the Hawaii Department of Health has stated that the state of Hawaii has always allowed parents to choose their own racial designation. In the 1960s and even today, many people from sub-Saharan Africa do not identify with the terms “Negro” or “black” as designators. That Barack Obama Senior selected “African” as his designator is not unusual. He was distinguishing himself from an American black person.
If you want to see uncropped scanned images of the Obama COLB, the factcheck.org website has nine different images of the document including extreme close ups of the raised Seal and the Registrar of Vital Statistics’ stamped signature.
The scanned image at factcheck.org shows paper folds.
As already mentioned the scanned images at factcheck.org shows the seal. There is a diffence in scanned detail shown between the scanned image of just the data side of the COLB that was originally posted on fightthesmears.com and the dailykoz.com and the nine detailed scanned images of the COLB on factcheck.org

Here’s a link, click on the COLB images listed under “Supporting Documents” on the left side of the page.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

The bottom line for me is that the state of Hawaii is perfectly capable of issuing a statement or responding to a media inquiry that there is a discrepancy between the scanned image of the Obama COLB and the data on the original abstract at their office. The state of Hawaii has made no such statement and indeed officials up to an including the Republican Governor of Hawaii who endorsed John McCain and made one of Sarah Palin’s nominating speeches has gone out of her way to verify Obama’s birth in Honolulu.

“Its a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this...it’s been established. He was born here.”—Governor of Hawaii Linda Lingle