Posted on 08/16/2010 7:09:21 AM PDT by LorenC
Last week on the White House's YouTube channel, they answered a question from the mailbag and showed this:
Date of Birth: 04 Aug 1961
Place of Birth: Hawaii, U.S.A.
So what do you expect the conspiratorial response to this will be? That it's a fake passport? That the U.S. Passport office is in on the conspiracy? That YouTube videos aren't admissible in court, and thus this should simply be ignored and not acknowledged as evidence at all? That there's not an uninterrupted shot of the trip advisor unlocking the safe, taking out the folder, and pulling out and opening the passport, and thus they aren't convinced that the passport seen was actually in the folder?
Or maybe just a mix of all of the above, plus whatever other special pleading they can think of.
He has no such obligation. Not a legal one anyway. The timing does matter because the election is over. The electors voted, the Congress certified it and Obama was sworn in. It’s done.
And let’s not forget that any positive obligation he had prior to all that, he met. He was after all listed on every ballot, and won. So I don’t know what obligation is imagined that he failed to meet.
Ummm, these people you listed have gone out of their way to avoid saying Obama’s alleged COLB is genuine, and to avoid specifying any official documents that support the claims that Obama was born in Hawaii. They have gone out of their way to change their law to avoid any responsibility in giving direct answers or complying with other disclosure laws. Because of their indirect approach to this issue, they don’t have a lot of credibility, but it still doesn’t deal with the question I posed originally about why the White House isn’t as responsive to questions about an original birth certificate as they appear to be with this diplomatic passport.
He presented an alleged birth document that couldn’t be verified. Posting it acknowledged there was a positive burden of proof on him, but posting one that couldn’t be verified was a matter of going through the motions. Why bother if you can’t stand behind what you present and make the effort to prove it’s genuine?? So again, it’s not a matter of doing it over, but doing it right. Why is it such a nuisance for Obamapologists that anyone would expect full disclosure??
Ummm, these people you listed have gone out of their way to avoid saying Obama’s alleged COLB is genuine, and to avoid specifying any official documents that support the claims that Obama was born in Hawaii. They have gone out of their way to change their law to avoid any responsibility in giving direct answers or complying with other disclosure laws. Because of their indirect approach to this issue, they don’t have a lot of credibility, but it still doesn’t deal with the question I posed originally about why the White House isn’t as responsive to questions about an original birth certificate as they appear to be with this diplomatic passport.
You and the White House also disagree on responsiveness. From their point of view, they addressed that question a year ago. The two birth announcements in both Honolulu newspapers from 1961 would tend to back them up.
From your point of view, they haven’t been responsive at all unless the long form is released. That’s politics. It will be up to the voters to decide whose side they come down on, for those voters to whom this issue matters at all.
Janice Okubo of the state Health Department says that the state of Hawaii has not issued long forms to anybody since the state went paperless in 2001. I have been looking for one copy of a long form to show up on the internet that was issued since 2001, thus far, no luck. I even had a bet of a $200 donation to FreeRepublic riding on a copy of a long form issued since 2001 being posted here but no one posted one. I waited for six weeks.
I still maintain that the best way to try and get the long form released is not under Obama’s authority but via a neutral party getting a subpoena for its release.
Nowhere in it does WND claim that Obama would be ineligible solely because he had a Kenyan father. Nowhere in it does WND claim that even if he was born in Hawaii, his father's citizenship would make him ineligible. Rather, the only thing WND says is that if he was born outside the US, then his father's citizenship might come into play.
I just proved your statement that the issue wasn't raised before November to be factually incorrect. I don't need to produce "many", I only need to provide the one. You better reread that article again, because it says far more than what you claim it says.
Questions regarding Obama birth place began in June 2008 (that's prior to November 2008 for the calendar challenged) when National Review's Jim Geraghty raised the question and asked the Obama Campaign to release a copy of his birth certificate in order to prove that he actually was born in the United States.
To paraphrase the Gipper, it's not that you liberals don't know anything, it's that so much of what you know just isn't so.
The point of having a birth certificate is that it is the verification.
"Posting it acknowledged there was a positive burden of proof on him..."
Absurd. Posting it was a response to a question during the campaign. It had nothing to do with a positive legal obligation.
Nobody else can prove it for him. McCain had no problem showing a hard copy of birth certificate to a bona fide reporter. Obama made a jpg that had the verifiying information redacted.
This is to certify that Barack Obama was born in the US.
Signed,
Epstein’s Mother
You took us there to watch all that propaganda?
thanks /sarc
Nope. A paper copy was made available for inspection. There are photos of it being handled, with no information redacted.
And how many deeds to the Brooklyn Bridge do you 'own'?? Pleases. Lingle gave demonstrably false informatin. There's no news release that the president was born at Kapiolani Hospital. She claims twice, it's a 'fact.' She's wrong on both counts.
You and the White House also disagree on responsiveness. From their point of view, they addressed that question a year ago. The two birth announcements in both Honolulu newspapers from 1961 would tend to back them up.
Only if the birth announcements actually listed the place of birth, or even a baby's name. The fact that the announcements include an address his parents were never known to reside at creates major problems in the story.
Janice Okubo of the state Health Department says that the state of Hawaii has not issued long forms to anybody since the state went paperless in 2001.
The law says they have to issue any part of any record upon request. Of course, Spokesbabe Okubo also said Obama's certificate 'looks like' hers, as if that's an official way to authenticate a legal document. She said they don't keep divorce records, when their own website said they did. She is a wealth of misinformation and perhaps ignorance. While you're looking for a post-2001 long form, why don't you see if you can find the news release Lingle spoke of.
Not to bona fide reporters. The alleged paper copy you speak of doesn’t match the jpg Obama sent to politifact and others. Those who ‘inspected’ the document were caught changing the embedded camera data in their photos to hide their incompetence and possible complicity. And the state of Hawaii refuses to say if the certificate number on the alleged COLB actually belongs to Obama ... this is in spite of having full statutory and discretionary authority to do so. It might be good enough to fool gullible faithers, but most rational people recognize trickery when they see it.
Nobody else can prove it for him. McCain had no problem showing a hard copy of birth certificate to a bona fide reporter. Obama made a jpg that had the verifiying information redacted.
The copies of the Obama COLB released to the St. Petersburg Times and factcheck.org have all the verifing information.
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_4.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_6.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_7.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_8.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg
You can make excuses all day long for things you don't want to accept, if you are determined to do so.
True, but irrelevant. An abstract certified by the state is just as good in court as the original.
Why do you believe otherwise?
“And how many deeds to the Brooklyn Bridge do you ‘own’?? Pleases. Lingle gave demonstrably false informatin. There’s no news release that the president was born at Kapiolani Hospital. She claims twice, it’s a ‘fact.’ She’s wrong on both counts.”
"No one suggested that the mere fact of having a Kenyan daddy made him ineligible until November 2008."
I didn't say that no one questioned WHERE he was born before November 2008; that indeed started in June 2008. I've exchanged e-mails with Jim Geraghty, even. I didn't say that no one questioned whether he was born with dual citizenship; that happened earlier too. I didn't say that no one questioned whether he was Constitutionally eligible before November 2008. Heck, Berg's lawsuit was filed in late August 2008.
No, I said "no one suggested that the mere fact of having a Kenyan daddy made him ineligible until November 2008." That whole "natural born citizenship means having two citizen parents" thing that Birthers love to toss around nowadays, as an argument of last resort? THAT is what I'm talking about. Birthers only started crowing THAT beginning in November 2008. Even though the fact that Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen was a well-known fact LONG before that.
Feel free to browse old FreeRepublic threads from before November 2008. The "certifigate" tag makes this easy. You'll find no shortage of threads spinning wild tales about Obama's secret Kenyan birth, or Obama's secret Indonesian adoption, or even Obama's secret daddy being Malcolm X. But what you WON'T find is threads of Freepers preaching "natural born citizenship requires two citizen parents." Not in June 2008, and certainly not earlier than that. For some reason, that definition only suddenly got discovered right as Obama was actually elected.
Remember when those State Dept. contractors were caught snooping at passports of the candidates in early 2008? Were they altering information or collecting information? No one knows.
Really? It looked real? These warning signs didn't concern you:
- Its mysterious appearance online with no source.
- The anachronistic mention of a Hawaiian statute that didn't exist in 1961.
- The erased file number, serial number, and "State of Hawaii" line (not covered, but literally erased)
- The signature of an "attendant," even though it claims he was born in Kenya.
- The typewritten words that don't stay on straight lines across the page, like they would if actually typed on a typewriter.
- The fact that it misspells the street name of the mother, in a way that violates standard Hawaiian word structure and spelling.
- The fact that it erroneously says "U.S.A." under "Usual residence of mother: County and State."
- The curious similarity between two of the signatures.
- The inexplicable inconsistency for a document to simultaneously say "Place of Birth: Honolulu" AND "Birthplace: Kenya."
and my personal favorite:
- The fact when writing her signature, Madelyn Payne Dunham apparently forgot how to spell her own name.
The original is the original. Abstract is not that which it is an abstract of. In fact, some guy regularly posts a list of Obama’s school, passport, records etc. Presidential candidates should open all of this information so we know who they are.
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