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Academic Bankruptcy (Universities becoming less relevant, yet more Expensive)
New York Times ^ | 08/16/2010 | Mark C. Taylor

Posted on 08/16/2010 2:50:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

WITH the academic year about to begin, colleges and universities, as well as students and their parents, are facing an unprecedented financial crisis. What we’ve seen with California’s distinguished state university system — huge cutbacks in spending and a 32 percent rise in tuition — is likely to become the norm at public and private colleges. Government support is being slashed, endowments and charitable giving are down, debts are piling up, expenses are rising and some schools are selling their product for two-thirds of what it costs to produce it. You don’t need an M.B.A. to know this situation is unsustainable.

With unemployment soaring, higher education has never been more important to society or more widely desired. But the collapse of our public education system and the skyrocketing cost of private education threaten to make college unaffordable for millions of young people. If recent trends continue, four years at a top-tier school will cost $330,000 in 2020, $525,000 in 2028 and $785,000 in 2035.

Yet most faculty and administrators refuse to acknowledge this crisis. Consider what is taking place here in New York City. Rather than learning to live within their means, Columbia University, where I teach, and New York University are engaged in a fierce competition to expand as widely and quickly as possible. Last spring, N.Y.U. announced plans to increase its physical plant by 40 percent over the next 20 years; this summer Columbia secured approval for its $6.3 billion expansion in Upper Manhattan. N.Y.U. is also opening a new campus in Abu Dhabi this fall.

The financial arrangements for these projects remain obscure, but it is clear that they will not be completed without increasing the universities’ already significant and perhaps unsustainable levels of debt.

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KEYWORDS: academia; college; legaltheft; relevance; unions; university
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To: SeekAndFind
ABOUT THE AUTHIOR

Mark C. Taylor, the chairman of the religion department at Columbia University, is the author of the forthcoming “Crisis on Campus: A Bold Plan for Reforming Our Colleges and Universities.”
2 posted on 08/16/2010 2:52:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The Communists are just laundering money to the fellow travellers in the University system. That is all.


3 posted on 08/16/2010 3:27:53 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: SeekAndFind

If I had a kid going to college today, Hillsdale would be on the VERY short list.


4 posted on 08/16/2010 3:28:04 AM PDT by imjimbo (The constitution SHOULD be our "gun permit")
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To: SeekAndFind
The educational bubble was created the same way as the housing bubble: government intervention and cheap loans. The Obama response has been the same: more government intervention. The result will be the same: massive transfer from the taxpayers to the political supporters,
5 posted on 08/16/2010 3:41:54 AM PDT by Armando Guerra
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To: SeekAndFind

Were I a political leader...gradually seeking to enslave a populace..the first thing I would do would be sure that its leaders...the college educated , were chained to my wheels.

Hence the debt demanded of our children to be “educated”


6 posted on 08/16/2010 3:45:12 AM PDT by mo
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To: SeekAndFind

My youngest son is taking a year off from college after taking two years of classes.

After hearing at length what is going on in his classrooms I am finding - for the first time in my life - that maybe a college education just isn’t worth it anymore. You can learn what you like on the web and in less expensive classes and only need the diploma if you want an institutional job.

Even then the standards for getting the diploma are getting so low as to be meaningless in determining someone’s competence or even basic knowledge in any particular field.

You’re much more likely to be useless if you have a modern college degree.

The only guarantee you have on an American college campus is that you will be overwhelmed with marxist indoctrination and enforced PC lifestyles.


7 posted on 08/16/2010 3:51:37 AM PDT by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality Now: Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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You’re much more likely to be useless if you have a modern college degree. The only guarantee you have on an American college campus is that you will be overwhelmed with marxist indoctrination and enforced PC lifestyles.

So true. Lately I've been butting heads with a homeschooler who wants to attend one of the pricier universities, which I happen to know is a cesspool. Even if it were free and not infested with ultraliberal hedonists, the idea of wasting 3-4 good years makes me ill.

I say learn a trade, run a business, discover how it all works in practice...and then you will have some resistance to the brain diseases that are epidemic on campus, and when you find you've made a dumb move, at least you will have wasted your OWN money.

8 posted on 08/16/2010 4:18:49 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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Finally parents and hopefully eventually students will begin to question whether they are actually getting their money’s worth in a college.

Some of the hard sciences (certainly not climate science) are probably worth the money at a less expensive state university, but how can one justify $40K a year to get a degree in art or history unless one goes on to become a lawyer? In any case one can learn all this stuff online or out of books at home.


9 posted on 08/16/2010 4:30:21 AM PDT by finnsheep
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Another great school and a great value: Grove City College.


10 posted on 08/16/2010 4:31:38 AM PDT by Calm_Cool_and_Elected ("Stupidity is always astonishing, no matter how many times you may deal with it." - Jean Cocteau)
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The program my youngest is taking a break from is allegedly an “engineering” program, a new four year program to take advantage of new technologies.

It turns out to be a green politics program where you learn very little about engineering and a lot about how to “manage” projects that can be turned towards “green technologies.”

What a disappointment for my conservative and bright son. His grandfather was an outstanding electrical engineer and was a great role model for actually being good at the subject matter.

When about the only thing discussed is the politics of the subject and you learn a smattering of technical expertise on your own it quickly becomes not worth enduring.

It tears my heart out to say that if he decides not to go back to college then I won’t care as long as he continues to have the interest and work ethic he was raised with. He can accomplish anything with the skills he already has, including learning whatever he needs to know to succeed.


11 posted on 08/16/2010 4:39:38 AM PDT by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality Now: Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: SeekAndFind

At the university I work for, the number of highly paid administrators is stunning. Some of the Deans have one or even two assistant deans that make almost as much as their boss. You also have people in the diversity mafia making top dollar. Many of these people add little or not value to the system. There is also a loss of revenue as many minority kids go to school for free or nearly so (diversity again). Its almost comical when the Dean asks you a question via email, followed by the assistant asking the same question.

That being said, a good part of the rise is due to the skyrocketing cost of benefits, especially health insurance. The latter is not just a university problem, but academia will try to pass it on to the students.


12 posted on 08/16/2010 4:47:01 AM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: SeekAndFind

Universities today, regurgitated propaganda from one useful idiot to another useful idiot, IMHO.


13 posted on 08/16/2010 4:58:45 AM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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To: imjimbo

Been thre and done that. Worth every penny. And he now teaches social studies. Think he gets it RIGHT?


14 posted on 08/16/2010 5:06:56 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: SeekAndFind
I taught at the college level for 20 years. My advice to my sons was don't waste your money. If you want to go to college to learn things just because you are interested in the subject matter that's great, but if you think college is THE way to a better economic future you are mistaken.
Both are doing extremely well, but the non college son is way ahead. The college grad has finally started making a good living now that he is in a blue collar job.
15 posted on 08/16/2010 5:37:34 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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They are just ‘graduation factories’ which exist merely to justify the pay/status/job security for the ‘educrats’ in America.

Not one of the professors I had could function outside the campus environment... not for one instant. They live in that rarefied and artificial world where their significance is conditional only to the campus environment.

It is something to see. In the private sector, they would be eaten alive by people with nowhere near the same ‘education’ but with tons more practical savvy and real world smarts!! They are basically so unrealistic in their approach to WORK that they could not disguise being the misfits they actually are...they would starve.

16 posted on 08/16/2010 6:00:00 AM PDT by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think." Adolph Hitler)
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To: SeekAndFind

sadly Universities are all TOO relevant these days when it comes to formulating all of the crackpot ideas that go into making up Obamunism.


17 posted on 08/16/2010 6:12:38 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind
Our sons both want to study engineering. Our 14 year old is definitely heading down the mechanical engineering or industrial design path. Our 17 year old doesn't know, but I suspect it will be more abstract than strictly hands-on. He does very well in physics and calculus (as well as history) Both are very strong students coming out of a highly rated SE Pennsylvania public school.

I'd be interested in any recommendations from fellow Freepers as to solid engineering schools, preferably not too far from the mid-Atlantic region. So far, I think Penn State, Drexel, Pitt and Princeton are on our 17 year old son's list of likely targets, with Princeton a stretch and only happening if he's offered a lot of financial aid. I suggested he look at Olin, but he's turned off by the small size. We've visited Penn State and Lehigh, and although neither one bowled him over, he and I both felt uncomfortable with Lehigh. It felt somehow confining, and it wasn't just size - more a feeling of wanting to shut up the cheerleaders who were pushing it so hard.

Thank you for any suggestions.

18 posted on 08/16/2010 6:49:37 AM PDT by Think free or die
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To: Think free or die
I'd be interested in any recommendations from fellow Freepers as to solid engineering schools, preferably not too far from the mid-Atlantic region.

It's a bit farther south, but North Carolina State has one of the best engineering schools in the country.
19 posted on 08/16/2010 7:06:29 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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I didn't know about their engineering program. We're likely heading to NC in a couple of weeks. Our plans have been uncertain and we didn't book anything yet, but there are still rentals available at the Outer Banks. Perhaps we could swing by and check it out.

We'd actually like seeing him at a southern school, and we have family roots in NC on his father's side. It's worth considering.

20 posted on 08/16/2010 7:13:47 AM PDT by Think free or die
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