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Posted on 08/13/2010 1:51:05 PM PDT by lbryce
A Florida pastor is speaking out in defense of his congregation’s controversial plan to burn copies of Koran on the ninth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, MyFoxOrlando.com reported.
"Things like 9-11, Fort Hood, and the honor killings... these are possibly not isolated incidents," Dove World Outreach Center pastor Terry Jones said. "These are things that, if we don't stand up now, they can increase."
The Gainesville, Fla. church made headlines worldwide in July when it announced the plans on its Facebook page.
The event had received thousands of "Like" recommendations by users of the social networking site, but had also been attacked with a number of threatening messages posted on the page and received corresponding anti-Islam rants.
Jones — who has written a book titled "Islam is of The Devil" and sells T-shirts bearing the same message — says his life is being threatened after getting international attention for his plans.
"We have thought about it," the pastor said, "about the danger in holding the controversial event, and we realize that whenever we made this step, that this kind of thing could happen. But we feel it's that important, and the times call for some kind of radical measure in standing up.”
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Yep, that's what your forefathers said about Blacks and Jews. And actually burned and hanged them.
Only a rabid bigot could've said such a thing. People like you are the reason why minorities stay away from the conservative momement.
The commandments of God in the OT are VERY clear and do not need interpretation..
Can't have it both ways, either God was right or he was wrong.
The Law in the OT is for Jews only. They are taught the Law and are supposed to live by that Law and accept its harsh punishments. The Koran and Hadith demand punishment for non-muslims, who are not bound by the laws of allah.
That’s a huge difference to me.
#1. You ignored my closing.
The book burning is a joke. So let’s laugh it off as such.
How about the systematic termination of all Muslims? Via the political device known as total war? Like we used in WWII when we understood the ideals of those enemies and what was at risk and how far we were willing to do in pursuit of ending those ideas?
It took fire bombing cities during their most holy holidays, and nuking 2 other cities to get the point across then.
So, in that, VERY American tradition, I suggest we firebomb and Nuke ALL Muslim cities NOW.
Until the only Muslims left living are mocked like “Illinois Nazi’s” in the movies.
Discuss.
GOD HIMSELF, Personally, explained it.
He came down from heaven and said to the very high priests, NO, you got me all wrong.... THIS is what I meant!!
And He DIED to prove it. Rose to prove THAT and is coming back to kick the asses of those too stupid to yet get it.
Clear now?
“...controversial plan to burn copies of Koran on the ninth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks...”
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Excellent idea — we should make it a national holiday. Burn Korans every year on 9/11.
I don’t want to buy the book and give money to whoever prints it. I will burn some printed verses from the internet.
Wikipedia:Freedom of Religion in Saudi Arabia
The Wikipedia page is an exhaustive,in-depth overview which is essentially an indictment against the Kingdom for practicing
ZERO TOLERANCE
towards other religions.
BTW, Jews don't buy into Jesus' interpretation and clarification of what God meant by his commandments in the OT and Torah.
re: “What? Burn a book which demands “true believers” murder, steal, enslave, mutilate, practice pedophilia and engage in atrocities of every known flavor???
The Old Testament has a lot of the same.”
First, let me say that I disagree with Christians burning other religions’ books as a public “statement” of some kind. I believe that the New Testament teaches that loving persuasion and logical argument, accompanied by genuine Christian living/character (walking the talk) is the means to ending false beliefs (see 1 Peter 3:15-16).
However, I’m not sure what you mean by your statement, “The Old Testament has a lot of the same”. If you mean that the Old Testament teaches the idea that belief in God is to be spread by the sword (as the Koran does), then that is incorrect.
God did indeed pronounce judgement on particular groups of people that was carried out by the Hebrew nation after their exodus from Egypt. But even so, this judgement was carried out only after years and years of warning to repent were given by God to the particular peoples in question.
Even so, the command to wipe out these peoples was not universal - it was only to those who were under God’s particular judgement for particular sins these people had committed - and, because of their sin, God judged them and gave their land to Hebrew people.
God warned His own people that if they practiced the same things as those they had just destroyed in judgement, that they too would face God’s judgement one day.
And another thing, the Promised Land had specific boundaries. God did not teach that Israel was to conquer the whole world with the sword on His behalf in order to spread belief in Him (as the Koran teaches) - no, Israel, as a nation, was to be a Godly example to the rest of the world by how they lived and governed themselves in obedience to God’s commands. They were to be a witness for God to the rest of the world.
God never advocated in the Old or New Testaments to conquering the world through warfare, nor to spread Judaism or Christianity through military intimidation or threats of death. Yes, these things occured in history, but in direct disobedience of God’s/Jesus’s teachings.
Murder, rape, pedophilla, bestiality, homosexuality are against God’s moral law. Yet these things occurred and are talked about in the Old Testament, but it was never advocated by God’s teaching.
So, there is a very clear distinction between how the spreading of the message of belief in God is taught in the Bible, from what Islam teaches about the methods described for spreading belief in Alah.
Free Republic:May 25,2005:Saudi Arabia Desecrates Hundreds of Bibles Annually
One of the primary differences is the total absence of government sponsorship or approval.
lol. Save your popcorn for later. These are just the “coming attractions”.
As I mentioned in a previous post, book burnings were undertaken by the Nazis and Communists with and without approval. Such approval is absolutely irrelevant: it's the methods that those thugs considered applicable --- that's what matters.
For centuries, America was different from even Europe and certainly from the third world in that an average person here believed that the ends are no justification for the means, and that some means are completely unacceptable.
No longer. On this, supposedly conservative, forum one must explain why book burning is unAmerican.
Well, you think as a third-world thug and don't mind resorting to fascist and communist methods --- enjoy, then, being ruled by a third-world thug. You've won, congratulations!
“The Old Testament has a lot of the same.”
Your comment seems to imply that the nature of the Korans contents and that of The Old Testament are somehow equal.
You don’t know the difference between acts described vs acts prescribed (or actually done).
Congratulations.
What??? Jesus came down to clarify that which was already crystal clear (note, as examples, the following commandments):
Exodus 21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
Exodus 21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
These are just 3 of hundreds of very clear commandments and rules. What part of these could possibly need clarification? Or are you suggesting God's attitudes towards sins evolve over time.
I guess, your quote from Hayek fully describes your position expressed above: "“The conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. Like the socialist, he is less concerned with the problem of how the powers of government can be limited than with that of who wields them; and like the socialist, he regards himself as entitled to force the value he holds on other people.”
I wonder whether you stopped for a second to reflect on that.
“The only good Muslim is one you send to burn in HELL forever.”
Yep, that’s what your forefathers said about Blacks and Jews. And actually burned and hanged them.
Only a rabid bigot could’ve said such a thing. People like you are the reason why minorities stay away from the conservative momement.
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Whose to say he isn’t a paid Democrat blogger?
Enough of that old hat. For what kind of fools would you take us? This is so over explained it isn't even funny to debate it.
Go read the books of Romans and Hebrews, as if you ever would, but that's a good start.
But in God's own words: I cam not to change the law, but to fulfill it.
The law was NOT a list of do's and don'ts at all. It was a PROPHESY.
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