Posted on 08/12/2010 8:18:43 AM PDT by detritus
The controversy over a prospective mosque and community center in lower Manhattan reached fever pitch late last month, starting when former vice-presidential hopeful Sarah Palin called on "Peaceful Muslims" to "pls refudiate" the project via her Twitter feed. She was soon joined by Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich's call to prevent the building of any mosques near Ground Zero "so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia" -- thereby embracing Riyadh's medieval notions of religious freedom....
What's particularly tragic about all this is that the people behind the so-called Ground Zero mosque, the Cordoba Initiative, are precisely the moderate Muslims that everyone recognizes are an important bulwark against extremism...
To me, the most interesting question is: Why now, nearly a decade after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, has anti-Muslim sentiment on the right gotten so virulent? There are clearly a couple factors at work -- primary season, the election of Barack Hussein Obama, the recent failed attacks in Chicago and Times Square -- but perhaps the most decisive is the absence of the most powerful voice for tolerance among American conservatives.
That's right, I'm talking about George W. Bush. Much as Muslims around the world may have despised his foreign policy and his interrogation and detention policies, the former president spoke out repeatedly and eloquently against attacks on Muslims, and visited an Islamic center several days after 9/11 to send the message that Muslims were not the enemy. He may not have much standing in the Islamic community today, but he still retains a broad following on the right.
But with Dubya now offstage, there are no conservatives left of stature who can push back against the insanity. Here's hoping Bush speaks out.
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The people who are allowing this to be built have no idea of the horrible seeds they sow, or do they? Maybe they do, they are fascists.Thats the point.Disorder is what these federal fascists want.They couldn’t get the terrorist trials to bring it in NYC, so now this? People on the zoning board are talking about this as if it involves another MackyD franchise.They will get a lot more than burgers.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html
True enough; the only restrictions the government can place are the ones it puts on any other kind of building for legitimate reasons of public safety (i.e. it has to conform to construction codes so it isn't a firetrap and has to be maintained so it isn't an eyesore or a health hazard).
That's a different issue from the article, which is about a former president possibly using his reputation as a tool of persuasion.
Are you saying that the President can’t have an opinion? It seems he has an opinion about everything else, but when it comes to muslims, he’s deathly quite.
If the people of the Catholic Church did what the muslims did in NY, do you believe that the President or the people of the country wouldn’t be doing the same thing? There’s a limit as to what the people can take, regardless of what our Constitution says. Where is that limit and what are our people supposed to do when they reach that limit? As we have seen in our history, people will take a lot if they disagree with things, but this is beyond just standing by and letting this continue. They are asking to much of the people and I don’t think they will stand by this time. Maybe they will, but that would be the end of what we believe in. It’s getting to the point that many are saying “Screw it, do whatever you want. I’m done.” Is that what we want? I don’t think so. You can push our people a long ways, but be careful. You push to far and look what has happened in our history. It may not be very pretty.
Or maybe they have the common sense not to stand by while the take over continues. This author needs to buy a clue; the question we should be asking is: Why now, only a decade after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, are we allow islam to take over like the cancer it is without radiating it.
It’s not going to be stopped. Christians and Jews have to apologize for being in the way on September 11, 2001. Don’t you feel enough guilt? Shame on you for existing. Who put those buildings in the way of that peaceful airplane flight by tolerant, loving death cult members?
When all Christians and Jews have bowed down in submission and begged forgiveness for being alive, the onward march of the death cult will finally be stopped.
< obviously bitter sarcasm >
Can’t the state or the feds declare the area near ground zero to be a national battlefield monument or other historical designation, which would add an extra layer of approval and take the decision out of the hands of the city? Recalling how VA kept Disney away from one of the civil war battlefields.
“Has anyone heard anything from our President as to how he feels about this mosque?”
Great question.
I didn’t understand your bomb reference.
Now thats funny!
Young Black America most deeply effected, highest unemployment, are going to vote against their bro? HE##! Unemployment, economy? Has nothing to do with it... its their bro! The pidgin posse boasts black solidarity even if they have to eat grass!
Fools should have voted for the man not the skin.
I always wondered if Bush really believed what he said, or if he was just another appeaser. Either way, he is wrong. The goal of muslims in America is to take over, one way or another. Wait until sharia law becomes the law of the land. I believe it will happen.
Do you really think all the zoning laws in this country are unconstitutional? Because every day, a zoning law is applied to prevent someone from building something, despite the fact that the buyer's willing, the seller's willing, the builder's willing. There are "community standards" to be considered. There's the impact on the neighborhood, on its very appearance, never mind its unbreached peace. The govt can tell you what kind of trees to plant on the sidewalk, and forbid other species. They can veto your choice of house paint color. The Constitution doesn't speak to such matters, nor was it intended to.
And if you wanted to walk your Chihuahua past this mosque, decked out in a porky pink suit with a curly tail in the stern, the city could stop you on the grounds of causing a disturbance, or harassing the muslims, or any of a number of other charges.
So...if the people get over there and holler, DIRECTLY; if they are in outspoken, firm opposition to the construction of an islamic center near GZ, they would not be demanding anything illegal or unconstitutional. It's their city...if they don't surrender it.
A ‘moderate muslim’ is like a backslidden pentecostal...just one revival away from pew jumping.
I think that the Mosque-community center is a stupid idea. But it is also a stupid idea if they ban it simply because it is a mosque, because that would be a gross infringement on our liberty. It is a slippery slope when you start taking away one group’s constitutional rights because you don’t like them. It is a bad idea and ugly to the core and blatantly anti-american to use state sanctioned religious discrimination-—no matter what religion we are discussing.
but would the zoning laws be applied had someone wished to build a Church or an apartment building. Taking away someone’s religious freedom simply because they are Muslim is entirely and completely un-american.
I don’t care what Muslims have done or will do. Our first amendment is the cornerstone of what it means to be an american.
Remember Samuel Morse, who developed the telegraph? He said the same thing about Catholicism. Didn't work for him, won't work for us. Not saying you're wrong, just that it doesn't matter, especially in these days of PC insanity.
What is the sense of the country? There are limits, as I stated, as to what the people will take. Most feel that muslims are a cult, I am one of them. It’s not what we believe in. It’s not what my parents believed in. It’s not what my grand parents believed in. It boils down to the fact that the muslims want to change our whole way of living and you are an ifedel if you don’t agree with them and deserve to die. Is that what we want for our country or our children?
I understand what you are saying but if we continue to allow our Constitution to be used against us, we will not survive.
I’m going to rely on Greg Gutfeld.
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