Posted on 08/08/2010 2:39:21 PM PDT by FTJM
The persistent quest for President Barack Obama's Hawaii birth certificate has died down since the state passed a law allowing it to ignore repetitive requests for the document.
Far fewer "birthers," who claim Obama is ineligible to be president, have asked state officials to provide the document since the law was enacted in May, according to the state.
The law has never even been put to use, said Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo. The number of people seeking proof that Obama was born outside of Hawaii and the United States diminished without the law being invoked.
Only about two or three e-mails now seek verification of Obama's birth each week, compared to between 10 and 20 weekly requests earlier this year.
"We have a handful of repeat requesters, but they know about the law," Okubo said. "They do everything they can to get around it."
Such tactics include having a relative or friend make the document request, she said, or asking for the vital records of Obama's relatives in search of clues that would show he was born outside the U.S.
Hawaii law has long barred the release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.
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Ya know, if people followed your tagline advice, you’d only have very short, and very one-sided, conversations...
Well I took his tagline seriously. :-)
Ya know, if birthers knew how to read, they wouldn’t be birthers.
That's an excellent point.
Perhaps I should as well. Although I’d hate to admit he is right on that one.
OMG! It’s like talking to a 6th grader.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Where there is smoke, there is fire.
Everything that Obama and his operatives have done confirms to me that the man is not a citizen nor is he eligible to hold any public office.
From the cleansing of his passport files to the millions they have spent in lawsuits and court costs trying to silence anyone who questions his citizenship not to mention the very first thing Obama did was to issue an executive order sealing ALL of his records every action they have taken is one of concealment.
Why go through all of that if there is nothing to hide?
I am going to guess when the light finally shines on his rocords (not just his COLB but ALL of them) it will be much worse then even the hardiest of conspiracy theorists guesses.
Much worse.
Oh yeah! Forgot. My bad. ;-) 4th grader.
You said: “Indonesian citizenship as a child or even as a dual citizen as an adult would not impact Obama’s eligibility if he was born in the USA.
You evidently didn’t understand when I said that Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. That would mean that he would have given up his US citizenship. In order to get US citizenship back he would have become a naturalized citizen. Thus, it would have an impact making him inlegible.
Not necessarily. It would mean that his step father would have surrendered his citizenship on his behalf. If, after the age of 18, he had taken no positive actions to affirm Indonesian citizenship, then his U.S. citizenship would revert to its original character.
That's why Obama's mysterious scholastic days are so critical. If he used his Indonesian citizenship to gain entrance to either Occidental or to Columbia, then he very likely renounced his U.S. citizenship as a consequence. If he didn't do this, then he's probably home free.
Only the Shadow knows.
For shame! You left out the most important parts. And then you even completely misconstrue what the man was getting at.
“In light of the administrative premise discussed above, a person who:
1. is naturalized in a foreign country;
2. takes a routine oath of allegiance to a foreign state;
3. serves in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or
4. accepts non-policy level employment with a foreign government,
and in so doing wishes to retain U.S. citizenship need not submit prior to the commission of a potentially expatriating act a statement or evidence of his or her intent to retain U.S. citizenship since such an intent will be presumed.
When, as the result of an individual’s inquiry or an individual’s application for registration or a passport it comes to the attention of a U.S. consular officer that a U.S. citizen has performed an act made potentially expatriating by Sections 349(a)(1), 349(a)(2), 349(a)(3) or 349(a)(4) as described above, the consular officer will simply ask the applicant if there was intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship when performing the act. If the answer is no, the consular officer will certify that it was not the person’s intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship and, consequently, find that the person has retained U.S. citizenship.
PERSONS WHO WISH TO RELINQUISH U.S. CITIZENSHIP
If the answer to the question regarding intent to relinquish citizenship is yes , the person concerned will be asked to complete a questionnaire to ascertain his or her intent toward U.S. citizenship. When the questionnaire is completed and the voluntary relinquishment statement is signed by the expatriate, the consular officer will proceed to prepare a certificate of loss of nationality. The certificate will be forwarded to the Department of State for consideration and, if appropriate, approval.
An individual who has performed any of the acts made potentially expatriating by statute who wishes to lose U.S. citizenship may do so by affirming in writing to a U.S. consular officer that the act was performed with an intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Of course, a person always has the option of seeking to formally renounce U.S. citizenship abroad in accordance with Section 349 (a) (5) INA.”
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html
The courts have said that citizenship comes from birth in the US, and that is based both on the phrase natural born citizen and the 14th Amendment. Losing it requires an affirmative act. Dual citizenship does not cost you US citizenship.
If Obama was born in the USA, then he is still a US citizen unless he worked to lose it. And the Supreme Court has been consistent for the last 120+ years in holding that a natural born citizen = native citizen = citizenship from birth in the USA, and multiple courts held the same since the founding of the Republic.
To overturn that would require some significant legal push, and citing a sentence in Vattel as [incorrectly] translated after the Constitution isn’t going to be enough. Evidence Obama was born outside the USA would do it, but none has been presented to date.
There are some weird things about his mother’s passport applications..including different years and places for her marriage to Lolo..and another last name for Obama.
I think the chances are good that he attended college as a foreign student..and this is one of the reasons things are locked up.
The passport application weirdness is in line with my theory that the family worked with the Spooks...and this is why things are locked up never to be seen by the public.
Shame, shame, shame!
He did have a mother, at least we think so. But, I doubt that she had much of a say under Indonesian Law. Even if she did, do you think that she had much of an interest in protecting BHO?
Why wouldn’t she? Were you not wanted by your mother?
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