Posted on 08/08/2010 2:39:21 PM PDT by FTJM
The persistent quest for President Barack Obama's Hawaii birth certificate has died down since the state passed a law allowing it to ignore repetitive requests for the document.
Far fewer "birthers," who claim Obama is ineligible to be president, have asked state officials to provide the document since the law was enacted in May, according to the state.
The law has never even been put to use, said Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo. The number of people seeking proof that Obama was born outside of Hawaii and the United States diminished without the law being invoked.
Only about two or three e-mails now seek verification of Obama's birth each week, compared to between 10 and 20 weekly requests earlier this year.
"We have a handful of repeat requesters, but they know about the law," Okubo said. "They do everything they can to get around it."
Such tactics include having a relative or friend make the document request, she said, or asking for the vital records of Obama's relatives in search of clues that would show he was born outside the U.S.
Hawaii law has long barred the release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.
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What people?
Where I come from, that's called ignorance.
"The citizens of each state constituted the citizens of the United States when the Constitution was adopted. The rights which appertained to them as citizens of those respective commonwealths, accompanied them in the formation of the great, compound commonwealth which ensued. They became citizens of the latter, without ceasing to be citizens of the former, and he who was subsequently born a citizen of a state, became at the moment of his birth a citizen of the United States. Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."
At first he is talking about those alive when the Constitution was adopted, but he then says "he who was subsequently born a citizen of a state" - changing to those born AFTER the Constitution.
He then says, "Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution..." - note the present tense. Had he been referring to those born prior to the Constitution, he would have needed to say, "every person who was born..." Also, the Framers specifically understood that not all those who were citizens at the adoption of the Constitution were native born, so they added a clause for length of stay for themselves. Thus it would be incorrect to say "every person born" and apply it to those alive at the time the Constitution was adopted.
Yes. Every person born in the USA in 1829 was (or is, from his perspective) a natural born citizen. He is no longer talking about those born PRIOR to the Constitution, is he? They were grandfathered in by the Constitution, but SUBSEQUENTLY...those born (present tense) in 1829, or in any other subsequent years, such at 1961.
I posted it for those capable of reading. I didn’t expect to convert you.
He wrote: “Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”
He could not have been talking about those born prior to the writing of the Constitution in 1787 (42 years earlier) because you do not use the present tense to discuss an act that took place 42 years earlier. Besides, the grandfather clause covered those.
I would think the State of Hawaii would love to accommodate anybody who wanted a copy for $29, $49, 0r $99 dollars. It would be a great revenue generator. It would tend to put the fire out because they were willingly offering it. ( for a fee )
But that's NOT happening. WHY?
The ONLY thing that intuitive little inner voice keeps saying is:
Something is NOT right or Obama wouldn't have spent $2-Million in legal fees to prevent access to it.
Once again: SOMETHING is NOT RIGHT!
Obviously he used the term interchangeably, since he said a native born citizen could become President.
“Makes perfect sense to Hawaiians except that no on can figure out why anyone in their right mind would choose to get married on Molokai back then.”
Molokai is a very very strange choice ...
I will let someone else who knows more about it than me explain in full, but no certificate has appeared to date. And Molokai in 1960 must have been very hard to get to, and nearly nothing there when you did get there, and a very small extremely small population.
Yes?
Back then, Molokai was essentially a company town. I think that it was owned by Dole Pineapple, but I could be wrong. Whoever owned it, the place was entirely agricultural. I suppose that they might have been invited by friends to have their wedding there, but its very unusual.
The last I heard that law got tabled in the AZ senate due to them already having enough controversy with the passage of immigration law SB1070. I do hope they take up the issue again because it's important to get these laws in place in as many states as possible in time for the the 2012 election.
Naw. The Chinese don't need anything on any American (even the POTUS) to get what it wants because they have us by the balls (insofar as they are our lender of last resort); and anytime they want they can put the squeeze on our cash flow and we'll howl in pain.
See my profile for a link to my Pre-Obama Hawaii Flickr page.
And the Constitution is just a piece of paper you use in your bathroom???
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