[so_real]

I guarantee the plaintiff will drive the battle in that direction. It boils down to the question ... "is a certificate of live birth evidence, within a reasonable doubt, that the bearer is a natural born citizen?" In Lakin's eyes, as an officer in the U.S. Military, it is not. And that is a widely held opinion within the citizenry as well. Will his team be able to show it is not? I hope so. I'd rather that, than to send a good man to serve hard labor. Time will tell.

[butterdezillion]

The HDOH has already indirectly confirmed in 2 different ways that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery.

One of the ways they revealed that was by making a statutory admission that Obama’s genuine BC is amended - a fact that by law has to be noted on any genuine COLB but is not noted on the Factcheck COLB.

That revelation also makes clear that the best Hawaii has for Obama still has no legal value at all until it is determined to be probative by a judicial or administrative person or body when the BC is actually presented to them as evidence.

Until that happens there is zero legal documentation for Obama from Hawaii at all.

The forgery was an attempt to hide the fact that the genuine BC has no legal value.

Obama literally has no legal birth facts. At least not from Hawaii. He has legal birth facts he used before 2006 (when he amended his Hawaii BC) - probably a Kenyan BC. But his claims of a Hawaii birth rely on the Hawaii BC, and those claims have only the legal status of hearsay. Hawaii law specifically states that the probative value of an amended BC cannot be determined without a judicial or administrative person or body being presented the BC as evidence. Obama made sure that could never happen.

The 20th Amendment gives the President elect until Jan 20th to “qualify”. If he fails to do it by then, the Vice President elect is to “act as President” until a President qualifies.

Obama has never qualified. He doesn’t even have any legally-established birth facts.

[jamese777]

guarantee the plaintiff will drive the battle in that direction. It boils down to the question ... “is a certificate of live birth evidence, within a reasonable doubt, that the bearer is a natural born citizen?” In Lakin’s eyes, as an officer in the U.S. Military, it is not. And that is a widely held opinion within the citizenry as well. Will his team be able to show it is not? I hope so. I’d rather that, than to send a good man to serve hard labor. Time will tell.

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I agree with one point above: “time will tell.”
There is no guarantee that Military Judge Colonel Denise R. Lind will allow any evidence or discovery related to the natural born citizen issue. We’ll all just have to wait and see.
The Investigating Officer for the Lakin Court Martial, Colonel Dan Driscoll already recommended rejecting any such discovery or witnesses but the Military Judge can decide differently from the Investigating Officer; but to do so is somewhat rare.
As cold as it seems, over many generations now the military court martial process tends to be: “we don’t care why you disobeyed an order from your direct superior officer. You diobeyed an order from your direct superior officer and now you must pay.” From the military’s point of view it goes to the larger issue of discipline in the chain of command. Lieutenant Colonels do not get to skip many steps up the chain and directly challenge the Commander-in-Chief, ever. If it was the Secretary of Defense or the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or even the Commander of Central Command doing the challenging, that might be different.
You can tell from Lieutenant Colonel Lakin’s charge sheet that that is exactly the way the prosecution intends to go. The charge sheet names an exact flight number to Charlotte, North Carolina and two immediate superiors of Lieutenant Colonel Lakin’s that he disobeyed.
The prosecution will remind the Court of all the orders originating from the Commander-in-Chief that Dr. Lakin followed for over a year, including accepting a military pay raise, signed into law by Barack Hussein Obama II.
The Lakin Charge Sheet: http://www.scribd.com/doc/30404861/Court-Martial-Charges-Against-Lt-Col-Terrance-Lakin

[Triple]

United States Code, U.S. Criminal Code, 18 USC § 1512
Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant

Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

Whoever knowingly uses intimidation, threatens, or corruptly persuades another person, or attempts to do so, or engages in misleading conduct toward another person, with intent to—
(1) influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding;
(2) cause or induce any person to—
(A) withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding;
(B) alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal an object with intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding;
(C) evade legal process summoning that person to appear as a witness, or to produce a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding; or
(D) be absent from an official proceeding to which such person has been summoned by legal process; or
(3) hinder, delay, or prevent the communication to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation [1] supervised release,,[1] parole, or release pending judicial proceedings; shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
(c) Whoever corruptly—
(1) alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or other object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding; or
(2) otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
(d) Whoever intentionally harasses another person and thereby hinders, delays, prevents, or dissuades any person from—
(1) attending or testifying in an official proceeding;
(2) reporting to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation [1] supervised release,,[1] parole, or release pending judicial proceedings;
(3) arresting or seeking the arrest of another person in connection with a Federal offense; or
(4) causing a criminal prosecution, or a parole or probation revocation proceeding, to be sought or instituted, or assisting in such prosecution or proceeding; or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 3 years, or both