Posted on 08/02/2010 5:29:53 AM PDT by captjanaway
Washington, D.C., August 2, 2010. The Army has now referred charges against LTC Terrence Lakin for a General Court Martial. This action triggered the appointment of a Military Judge to preside over the trial, which will likely be scheduled before October, and held in Washington, D.C. at Ft. McNair.
On August 6, 2010 at Ft. McNair in Washington, D.C., the court will convene for the purpose of Judge Lind taking Lakin’s plea to the charges which consist of “missing movement” and of refusing to obey orders. Today Lakin stated: “I am not guilty of these charges, and will plead ‘not guilty’ to them because of my conviction that our Commander-in-Chief may be ineligible under the United States Constitution to serve in that highest of all offices. The truth matters. The Constitution matters. If President Obama is a natural born citizen then the American people deserve to see proof, and if he is not, then I believe the orders in this case were illegal.” If convicted, Lakin faces up to four years at hard labor in a federal penitentiary.
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How many pay checks has Lakin declined, since 20 January 2009, on the grounds that BO is a Kenyan?
I recommend that you wrap your head around the law. If you did that you would realize that the question of Obama’s eligibility is never going to come up inside the court room. It will not be heard, it will not be argued, it will have zero impact on the case. I offer as indications that this will be the outcome, the other 71 cases that have been dismissed for one reason or another. What makes this case different is that LTC Lakin committed an offense under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. That offense will be heard, evidence will be presented, and a judgment will be made. Lakin is not going to like the result.
On the issue that has everyone panties in a wad, the courts have made it very clear that they are not going to deal with it. Politicians certified Obama as eligible for the Office of President. Politicians (the Electors) cast their votes for him. Politicians certified that election. The Chief Justice of the United States ratified these political actions by swearing him into office. Politicians, not the courts are going to fix this problem, or not. That means electing politicians who will enact legislation requiring candidates to present evidence of eligibility. Right now, that’s not required.
Meanwhile, we are stuck with Obama until we vote him out of office. Elections do have consequences.
Your insults and holier than thou attitude are not at all helpful to the discussion. Another thing I’ve noticed is that when someone thinks they have all the correct information and all others are stupid or misinformed, that someone is usually on the slippery slope of insanity.
Sir, LTC Lakin is suspended from duty, pending his trial.
What if your Captain was Hasan, and he ordered you to join him in shooting to kill whoever was waiting in line at the Ft. Hood clinic? Or if you were in Afhanistan/Iraq and your captain ordered you to shoot 3 civilians who he suspected, without any proof, set an IED that killed your comrades?
Would you have to follow those orders? Would you be court martialed if you refused? Those would be, after all, illegal orders, albeit given by your commanding officer.
So, if you believe the CinC is not serving in that capacity Constitutionally, and is giving orders for tens of thousands of US troops, including yourself, to go into harm’s way, and is refusing to prove his eligibility to hold that office and to issue those orders, why are you not within your rights to refuse the orders until the proof is provided that the CinC who issues those orders holds his position with constitutional authority?
I agree that Lakin is in deep kimchi here but he knew what he was doing when he refused orders and was willing to suffer the consequences. And I fear he was not properly advised about what would and would not be allowed as evidence at his court martial.
A CinC of any honor whatsoever would have made his proof of eligibility public long ago, instead of having a number of dedicated soldiers risk their military careers in questioning that authority. Lakin, at least, has the advantage of being able to return to private surgical practice when this is over.
Comparing Bush to obama is a big stretch of facts. The votes in Florida were recounted a number of times by Gore and there is no question Bush won. obama is without a question in violation of Article 2 of the Constitution(Natural Born Citizen clause). No if’s,or’s, or maybe’s. He has been fighting over 70 lawsuits to make sure that no one has access to a original certified copy of his birth records. With that birth certificate ,you would have legal proof that obama had dual citizenship at birth and is inegibile to be the President. The court marial board has no constitutional authority to hold Lakin without a legal sitting President in the White House. The court martial board has a Constitutional sworn duty to protect Lakin and help remove obama from the White House.
I did not say you were wrong as to the outcome, I said you are wrong on determining Lakin AWOL...he is NOT AWOL, he stated very clearly he is willing to serve upon proof of receiving LEGAL orders.
And yes, you are most likely correct that the issue will not be addressed in a court of law whose duty it is to protect Americans from unconstitutional acts by Congress and the office of the president. The Courts also have failed in their duty, as well as the politicians and 29% of the voting Americans who cast a thoughtless vote.
My statement that YOU are deeming him AWOL is incorrect and thinking the ONLY issue is that he is AWOL is quite wrong, and even the court knows this.
You are basing your argument on a lack of data. You are saying “Because I have not seen the COLB, I conclude he is not eligible”. That’s hardly a basis for refusing orders.
I heard of a guy who refused a deployment because he thought Bush went AWOL and was therefore ineligible to be president. Same argument.
He is not being charged with being AWOL. He is charged with missing movement. Your argument will not be heard by the court. He received a legal order, the evidence will show that without ever mentioning the President, and the evidence will show that he refused to obey it. It won’t take long.
He was not AWOL. Missed a movememt, but he was not AWOL.
Refused orders. Same type of thing.
Yep...either way, your hair is cut....the biggest problems here and on similar threads are those civilians who do not understand, or refuse to accept, that when you sign the papers, you are no longer subject to the constitution, but to the UCMJ......and the UCMJ is simple, direct, and blunt...
Meanwhile, BHO dba POTUS is faking support for our military on live TV.
But, in my unqualified position, I would say that your example of Hasan is ludicrous and I would have notified MPs and my chain of command of his erratic remarks. This is what we are ordered to do.
If my Captain ordered me to shoot three people in combat for any reason they would be hamburger 1.6 seconds later. There is no room for questioning command orders in combat. BTW, there is no distinction between ‘civilians’ and ‘combatants’ in Iraq. They are one and the same.
I can only speak from a soldier's point of view. As far as the legalities, that is not my MOS.
AWOL..........Absent Without Orders or Leave....He did not have orders to be absent, nor was he on leave...he is guilty of being AWOL....simple facts, simple judgement...he is not bound by the constitution, but by the UCMJ...he signed the papers voluntarily...he is going to be found guilty, because he is....he will be sentenced, because he is guilty...now, the officers serving a jury may grant him leniencey because of his argument, but he is guilty, under the UCMJ, of being AWOL...period...it is clear to me that you have not served in the armed forces, or you would already know this, as it is taught extensively in basic training...
Check your feedtray, that’s the usual cause of malfunctions. And don’t do that Rambo thing of draping ammo belts over your shoulder, gets dirty and can cause jamming.
Do those things and a daily cleaning and you will be squared away.
If Bush hjad a Kenyan Daddy and no BC, then yes.
Was Bush born to US citizens in the US? I think so.
Let’s suppose you get a bank loan by claiming false income and employment. Later, it is discovered - you are then charged with bank fraud and undoubtedly other crimes... they don’t just say - well the bank officer certified your loan! Same here - if Obama is indeed not a natural born citizen then the fraud perpetrated on the American people and the Constitution is of enormous consequence!! We we ever know... likely not as the sycophants in the press and judicial positions are afraid to let an investigation uncover the truth or falsehood of his claims.
He should be considered to have comitted a High Crime and Misdemeanor if he knowingly subverted the constitution just as he swore to uphold it!
And what laws did Obama violate by not showing his birth certificate? It isn’t required by current law and he and his party maintain that he is eligible because he was born in Hawaii. Do you have any evidence that he was not born in Hawaii? Of course you don’t, and neither does anyone else.
We all know that Obama has plenty to hide about his early days and he has spent millions of dollars hiding it. Looks like it worked because that stuff isn’t anywhere to be found. Until someone can produce some real evidence, none of this is going anywhere. This is just a guess on my part, but I don’t think that the courts are going to be any help, at least based on the 71 failed attempts so far.
887. ART. 87. MISSING MOVEMENT
Any person subject to this chapter who through neglect or design misses the movement of a ship, aircraft, or unit with which he is required in the course of duty to move shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
892. ART. 92. FAILURE TO OBEY ORDER OR REGULATION
Any person subject to this chapter who--
(2) having knowledge of any other lawful order issued by any member of the armed forces, which it is his duty to obey, fails to obey the order; or
(3) is derelict in the performance of his duties; shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
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