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1 posted on 07/30/2010 8:00:32 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Good article, heart disease is the result of magnesium definciency. Many folks who have heart attacks have no block, no blocked veins, they die from the lack of Mag, such a shame, I use CALM Magnesium, love the stuff.

Great article, thanks for posting ...


2 posted on 07/30/2010 8:03:04 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: neverdem

A huge fundamental problem is that it’s all about experimentation, no proof of long term benefit. Now the idiots in the government are looking to the entertainment industry for ideas on how to ‘better’ our lives.

As if following the advice of those headcases has ever been a good idea.


4 posted on 07/30/2010 8:17:25 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Repeat Offender

For later reading.


5 posted on 07/30/2010 8:22:21 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (The buck, it seems, never gets to Obama; a surprise considering how many they print)
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To: neverdem

Perhaps one should eat what one craves, in moderation, of course.


8 posted on 07/30/2010 8:25:13 PM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of cat attacks while typing!)
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To: neverdem

The French Paradox.

I’ve been taking cooking classes and learning some French dishes. Tons of butter, eggs, cheese, cream — and salt. The French are big meat eaters and love their sauces. I’ve been eating smaller portions of rich, wonderful, satisfying food, and I’ve lost just under twenty pounds and had my blood pressure go down. Last time BP was this low I was in my early 30s. I sure enjoy my veggies more when they’ve got some garlic butter on them. Go figure.

We’ll see what happens with my cholesterol next blood test.


12 posted on 07/30/2010 8:41:20 PM PDT by Snake65 (Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun!)
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To: neverdem

I love these threads.

sergeantdave’s food pyramid:

1) steaks

2) potato chips

3) bourbon

4) gooey chocolate fudge to attract the ladies

5) beer

6) more beer when No. 5 is depleted

7) chocolate chip cookies to keep the ladies around when No. 4 runs out

8) cigars

9) Wine for the ladies when No. 7 runs out

10) a seeing eye dog to find our way to the outhouse


13 posted on 07/30/2010 8:49:18 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: neverdem

Government and the medical profession will both be very slow to admit past bad advice, and government will probably be especially slow, or glacial, since a truly healthy diet rich in protein, eggs dairy, and fresh fruits and vegetables will not fit their new green revolution goals. The rich carbohydrates, sugar, wheat, rice, corn, etc., just aren’t good for us as a major part of our diets.


17 posted on 07/30/2010 9:53:38 PM PDT by Will88
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It ain’t the carbs. It’s the processed foods that are the basis of the US diet. High sugar, high fructose corn syrup in every damn thing, and highly refined flours are not good for you and not what our forefathers ate.

Personally, I don’t eat meat, but there is a big difference between 4 oz of meat a day and the tons of meat, cheese, and dairy that so many people eat daily. Keeping it down to 8 oz a week, would be even better.

I’m not a big fan of wholesale prescribing of statins either. I’m not sure the jury is in one that one yet. And not everyone can take them, they make my blood sugars go sky high, but they sure are prescribed for everybody without much thought.


19 posted on 07/30/2010 11:01:00 PM PDT by radiohead (Buy ammo, get your kids out of government schools, pray for the Republic.)
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To: neverdem
The government medicine food pyramid was pushed through by George McGovern during the Carter Administration. The onset of epidemic obesity and young to mid-life type II diabetes tracks well to this act. Metabolic syndrome and insulin resistance are the result of both a high glycemic and carbohydrate based diet.

There was an uproar by cardiologists at the time about the recommendation. They were ignored for what could be considered the greatest enactment by government of an ideological diet in US history over that of sound science.

The majority of government studies (including the NIH) conducted research to support the fat is bad mantra. What we got was bad science that failed to control for carbohydrate intake.

One of the other areas of negative health effects of a carbohydrate diet is triglyceride (TAG) levels. These increase to unhealthy levels in tandem with insulin resistance. A low carbohydrate diet will immediately lower TAG counts independent of BMI. A low carbohydrate diet supplemented with niacin is the safest way to lower and control high TAG levels. Other pharmaceutical options are very unsafe.

TAG levels have been ignored for their role in cardiac disease until recently. TAG levels are now being considered healthy under 100. From Wikipedia:

In the human body, high levels of triglycerides in the bloodstream have been linked to atherosclerosis, and, by extension, the risk of heart disease and stroke. However, the relative negative impact of raised levels of triglycerides compared to that of LDL:HDL ratios is as yet unknown. The risk can be partly accounted for by a strong inverse relationship between triglyceride level and HDL-cholesterol level.

This raises even more questions about government medicine. The food pyramid is now being recognized as the primary culprit in the increase in obesity, metabolically induced heart disease and type II diabetes. If TAG is the primary culprit in VLDL cholesterol, what is the effect of reducing VLDL with pharmaceuticals?

There were two schools of thought prior to cholesterol levels becoming government medicines enemy #1. The first and very vocal was the need to lower cholesterol levels at all cost. There was however an equally large school of physicians that felt that lowering cholesterol would not improve cardiac care and may have other deleterious effects. They compared attacking cholesterol levels with the same outcome as firemen going to a fire to put out the smoke.

Some in this same group felt that any small diameter lipoprotein (either high or low) was dangerous. Almost all felt that the total cholesterol score was meaningless without the breakdowns into the primary cholesterol types. There protests until recently have been ignored.

Like many other aspects of society, government medicine has been shown to be both dangerous in both recommendations and acceptance to conventional wisdom. There has been a trust of "government" resulting in an "Obedience to Authority" on the part of Americans to every pronouncement in Washington. We are seeing now how dangerous this unquestioning acceptance can be. From "global warming", the ban on DDT, Cap and Trade, cafe standards resulting in needless traffic deaths, Metabolic Disease and an emerging awareness of virus based cancer disease, the Federal Government has 100 percent culpability.

Needless suffering has resulted from a government who have overturned the constitution. If our Federal Government had constrained to those powers enumerated by law all of this needless suffering and deaths could have been avoided. Sadly it is only going to get worse.
20 posted on 07/31/2010 12:18:03 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. There are Wars and Rumors of War.)
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To: neverdem
You mean all of the stuff the Wookie just told me to eat isn't good for me?
21 posted on 07/31/2010 1:17:03 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: neverdem
WestonAPrice.org: Solid science, not like the gov/med/ag monopoly.
22 posted on 07/31/2010 4:49:51 AM PDT by eens (beware the errors of Russia)
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To: El Gato; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; PGalt; Dianna; ...
BP Says Oil Flow Has Stopped as Cap Is Tested Link for the various attempts to kill it.

What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D

A Genetic Testing Dupe? The government says I am being misled by useless information about my genes. I disagree.

Obscure Immune Cells Thwart Ticks

FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list.

24 posted on 07/31/2010 9:05:04 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
According to Scientific American, growing research into carbohydrate-based diets has demonstrated that the medical establishment may have harmed Americans by steering them toward carbs.

But, but, but - it was the liberal 'fashion of the day' diet - how could it be wrong?

26 posted on 07/31/2010 10:07:51 AM PDT by GOPJ (..Liberalism is Intolerance..- - Freeper Eric in the Ozarks)
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To: neverdem

Hmmm. Does this remind anyone else of the dietary discussion in Sleeper?


38 posted on 07/31/2010 9:33:36 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: neverdem
Ron Rosedale M.D.

45 posted on 08/01/2010 12:16:56 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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Thanks neverdem.
Researchers have started asking hard questions about fat consumption and heart disease, and the answers are startling. In an analysis of the daily food intake of some 350,000 people published in the March issue of The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, researchers at the Children’s Hospital Oakland Research Institute found no link between the amount of saturated fat that a person consumed and the risk of heart disease. One reason, the researchers speculate, is that saturated fat raises levels of so-called good, or HDL, cholesterol, which may offset an accompanying rise in general cholesterol. A few weeks later, researchers at Harvard released their own analysis of data from 20 studies around the world, concluding that those who eat four ounces of fresh (not processed) red meat every day face no increased risk of heart disease.
"Party while you can, rock 'til you drop!"

If salt and sugar are kicking your ass...

46 posted on 08/01/2010 5:41:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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