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1 posted on 07/28/2010 5:42:03 AM PDT by Kaslin
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Stroker and his Marxist Minions need to GO!


2 posted on 07/28/2010 5:45:22 AM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November from my house.)
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To: Kaslin

Stossel is totally dead wrong about this. Homosexual “marriage” means forcing all other citizens to accept and praise homosexuality. Homosexuals in the military means they’ll have a protected status with innumerable possibilities for the disruption of the mission.

Maybe other countries don’t have the same problems ... but it’s interesting that most of the countries he mentions aren’t defending themselves, anyway, so using their militaries as a opportunity for homos to get a uniform doesn’t mean anything.


3 posted on 07/28/2010 5:46:32 AM PDT by Tax-chick (John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere)
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The majority of the military disagrees...and so do all people who still have a moral compass.


4 posted on 07/28/2010 5:46:56 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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Stossel is a perfect example of how doctrinaire libertarianism rots the mind.


5 posted on 07/28/2010 5:47:48 AM PDT by wideawake
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2557347/posts

For example.


7 posted on 07/28/2010 5:49:46 AM PDT by Tax-chick (John Wayne, Johnny Cash, John Deere)
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To: Kaslin; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne
RE :”Just as I see no reason why gays should not be free to marry, I see no reason why they shouldn't be free to be in the military. As I wrote in the conclusion to “Myths, Lies, and Downright Stupidity”: “I want government to leave people alone. I think people should be free to do anything they want — as long as they don't hurt anyone else. I may disagree with their choices, but I don't think The State should take their choices away.

????? Free to do anything they want?? Gay marriage, open homosexual behavior in the military? The military is the government dim-wit. Legal marriage is the government. Government is not intended to be freedom. Am I free to not pay my taxes? Even for others aids treatments ??? Idiot.

If he is worried about freedom he should start else where like taxes and mandates not getting homosexuals special behaviour rights.

11 posted on 07/28/2010 5:52:58 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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DOD just recently asked a random sampling of all service members to complete a survey on just this subject.

WE’ll see what the service members actual say back to DOD.


12 posted on 07/28/2010 5:53:07 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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homosexuals have the choice to serve and be celibate, or to have sex and not serve. Military service is a privilege, not a right.


15 posted on 07/28/2010 5:54:22 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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“...By contrast, Australia, the United Kingdom, Israel, Belgium, Canada, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Slovenia and Spain all allow gay people to serve....”

What the Western Euro-Weenies do is so trendy and smart that we must blindly follow. I notice Poland, Finland, Switzerland, and Latvia are not on the list. Are they old-fashioned like America?


20 posted on 07/28/2010 5:59:51 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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My opposition to Homosexuals in the military is quite simple. Just like Intravenous drug users and other drug impairing lifestyles, Homosexuality brings a life style that has Biological effects as well as morale and efficiency effects.

And as far as a Heterosexual having a Disease like HIV, Hepatitis A/B/C or whatever else pops up in the future. Then they too aren’t eligible for being in the military either.

Imagine being on the battlefield where you need a lifesaving direct blood infusion. Well, I guarantee you’ll take whatever is available. But if it turns out that that Blood infusion saved you right then and there but condemned you at the same time to a long and lingering death. Maybe it wasn’t such a good deal after all.

So to avoid that potential problem in the first place you make that lifestyle a negative in that line of work. That means no IV Drug Users, No Recreational Drug users and No Homosexual lifestyle users, No carriers of incurable diseases.

Being in the Military is a choice the Military Member made freely and voluntarily. There was no draft, therefore the rules were laid down up front before they became a part of the Military.


23 posted on 07/28/2010 6:02:01 AM PDT by The Working Man
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America is one of many countries that forbid openly gay people to serve in the military. Others are: Cuba, China, Egypt, Greece, Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Korea, Turkey and Venezuela.

See a pattern?

With a few exceptions, those are not countries where free people want to live.

By contrast, Australia, the United Kingdom, Israel, Belgium, Canada, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Slovenia and Spain all allow gay people to serve.
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Stossel can kiss my big rear end. You know what pattern I see? The militaries that don't allow gays are the ones that are still serious about winning wars. The ones that do allow them are no longer serious about s***. He points to Canada, Estonia, Luxembourg as examples? Seriously? The only armies in the "allow" list that are even close to serious are the UK, Australia and Israel, and the UK and Australia are well on their way to self-destruction. The politically-correct parasites are merely feeding off of a once-awesome host that is much weaker but not dead yet. Meanwhile, Israel takes ALL people into their military out of pure necessity. They are a small country in the middle of a continent of fanatical Jew-haters. They have women in combat, gays in combat, and anyone who can carry a rifle in combat because they can't afford not to.

And how dare Stossel compare the United States military to commie/muzzie countries that engage in brutal dictatorship. Once again, he can kiss my ass.
24 posted on 07/28/2010 6:11:48 AM PDT by fr_freak
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"When openly gay, lesbian and bisexual individuals have been allowed to serve in the U.S. Armed Forces, there has been no evidence of disruption or loss of mission effectiveness.

And just when has THAT ever happened???

To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a time in U.S. history when openly gay, lesbian or bisexual individual have been allowed to serve.

I was in the Navy for 13 years and yes, there were always some around, but they kept it damn quiet and if they were ever officially identified, they were booted out.

25 posted on 07/28/2010 6:13:32 AM PDT by Ronin
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Just as I see no reason why gays should not be free to marry, I see no reason why they shouldn't be free to be in the military.

Refusing to acknowledge is NOT the same as "see no reason."

Why isn't Stossel citing the credentialed opposition?

Not hard to figure out...

26 posted on 07/28/2010 6:14:04 AM PDT by papertyger
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Stossel has just ‘noonanized’ himself.


27 posted on 07/28/2010 6:15:36 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (All sweat, no equity)
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I’ll part ways with Stossel on this issue, though much of the time he is very good.

Stossel is doing the work of the CATO Institute, whose leader recently co-wrote an article with some extremely left wing pundit/think tank guy (I forget the name). CATO basically endorses gay marriage.

That is a degradation of the institution.


28 posted on 07/28/2010 6:20:51 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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Stossel, you're silly and you need a shave. I'm sick and tired of, "Europe does it this way and so should we." (Europe, Europe, Europe! Eyes roll)

What the heck's wrong with discretion in regards to one's sexual preference? That's all don't-ask don't-tell demands. What used to be considered good manners is now discrimination?

World. Up. Side. Down.

30 posted on 07/28/2010 6:24:46 AM PDT by fullchroma
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These have included 800 "mission critical" troops such as Arabic linguists (59 of them), Farsi linguists (nine)

If they had been very Cunning Linguists they wouldn't have been kicked out.

31 posted on 07/28/2010 6:26:02 AM PDT by usmcobra (NASA outreach to Muslims if I were in charge:The complete collection of "I dream of Jeannie" on DVD.)
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Stossel thinks he is taking a libertarian position but in fact there is nothing libertarian at all about providing special status for homosexuality. We separate the facilities for men and women based upon a prejudice towards natural human sexuality. Most reasonable people would call it a violation of a woman’s rights if she was forced to bunk and shower with men. Obviously then by the same logic it is a violation of the rights of all soldiers to be told that they should have to shower and bunk with people who are openly expressing a perversion for their same gender.

Any true libertarian should believe in protecting the rights of individuals (our soldiers) and not telling them that they have no choice but to be subjected to homosexual perversions where they shower and sleep. Why should we have two different standards in regards to protecting the rights of soldiers? Separate the genders based upon discrimination of perceived heterosexual behavior but then tell soldiers that they have no choice but to be subjected to the perversion of the fascist activists. Stossel is taking the position of wanting to force his perverted morality on soldiers.


33 posted on 07/28/2010 6:29:29 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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Yes. Let’s let gays serve openly in the military so we can be more like France.

I take it that Mr. Stossel has never served in the military.


34 posted on 07/28/2010 6:30:50 AM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Now 100% flag free.)
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I'm a libertarian, not a conservative. I don't think government should have any role in our sex lives.

(sigh)

Normally, I am a big fan of Stossel, but not this time. The issue is NOT about people's sex lives. It's about how close people end up sleeping together in the military.

Most people either paid no attention to or have forgotten what Clinton said in '93 after he visited his first aircraft carrier as POTUS (or EVER!) - "Wow, I didn't realize they slept so close together!" On most Navy ships, there is barely 3 - 4 inches between one person's nose in a berth, and either the next berth above him/her or the overhead. Sailors are typically stacked 3 and 4 high aboard ship and a practice called "hot bunking" (in which two sailors are assigned the same bunk on different shifts) is not unusual.

In the Army, you may well find yourself in tight quarters in a foxhole sleeping nose to nose with a fellow soldier. In NONE of these situations, do heterosexual men want to worry about whether someone in the bunk below them or the foxhole next them is getting an erection thinking about seeing them naked in the shower (and, yes, there are open showers with multiple shower heads in the military). THIS is why people like Clinton and Stossel who have NEVER served a minute in the military shouldn't decide what's best for the military. If Clinton and Stossel want to share sleeping quarters with gays, that's THEIR CHOICE, but they have NO BUSINESS depriving ME of MY right to choose based on their beliefs!!!

37 posted on 07/28/2010 6:34:01 AM PDT by DustyMoment
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