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BP's Deepwater Oil Spill - Time is Not Our Friend - (Why gov. does not work)
The Oil Drum ^ | June 21, 2010 | Heading Out

Posted on 07/21/2010 6:38:18 AM PDT by Hojczyk

There is a certain frustration in hearing some of the officials who act as spokesmen for the management team handling the spill from the Deepwater well in the Gulf of Mexico. Their evaluation of the situation is bound around a full collection and compilation of the existing evidence, a comprehensive and contemplative understanding through a scientific explanation of the causes of whatever anomalies and other behavior that is not following the model anticipated, and subsequently then working out the best steps forward and determining the potential benefits relative to alternative approaches.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bp; deephorz; deepwaterhorizon; energy; mattsimmons; offshore; oil; oilspill
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To: Marine_Uncle
Okay. Here is the updated and corrected time line for the Macondo Seabed observations. All started early Wednesday. Added the ROV and time of observation so we can check them in the future if the ROV Video Archives are made available.

Possible Early Signs of Sea Floor Breaching at the Macondo Well Site

Wednesday morning 7/21/2010 (Oly1 4:50 AM PST) - (1 Week from Shut In) Long funnel plume found. Rising from sea floor and bending in water current. Possible source was 4 white smokers coming from floor.

Wednesday evening 7/21/2010 (Boa DeepC2 3:45 PM PST)(Oly2 3:47 PM PST) - Starting to notice up and down current movement. Has not been seen much prior to this. Kinda rare at this depth. Possible gray smokers seen on some . Difficult to notice due to very turbid water.

Wednesday evening 7/21/2010 (Oly1 4:00 PM PST) - Seeing more smokers, but not rising as much as first smokers. Acting as if heavier sediments are pluming upward and staying close to floor.

Wednesday evening 7/21/2010 (Oly2 11:30 PM PST) - See a small plume with a back top cap. Appears to be sediments and oil pluming up. Sediments fall and oil rises. Basically a sediment and oil physical separation process.

Thursday morning 7/22/2010 (Oly1 12:20 AM PST) - Observe two holes with heavy plumes or smoke rolling below them apparently toward the downward slope.

Thursday morning 7/22/2010 (Oly2 3:15 AM PST) - See what appear to be Dirty Methane Hydrate Ice Balls lifting from the sediments and traveling upward in distinct common vectors. They leave what appears to be a vapor trail and that gives them a rocket-like appearance . These are believed to be medium sized.

Thursday morning 7/22/2010 (Oly2 5:45 AM PST) - Begin to realize that smaller Methane Hydrate Ice Balls could be traveling more horizontal and following the water current. These also leave trails and can just disintegrate or dissolve.

Thursday afternoon 7/22/2010 (Oly2 3:30 PM PST) - Saw a small black smoker. There were also methane hydrate ice balls being ejected up and over the smoker. First time we saw them traveling up, laterally away and then back down to the sea bed.

Note - It is entirely possible that some of these observations are normal natural processes that occur in the area. To verify this we need to be able to have access to the high res video archives. Then we could compare the sea floor activity prior to Shut In and after Shut In.

81 posted on 07/22/2010 6:01:01 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
Dang. Think I am going just shut up from now on. New observation. Skandi 1. Looks like those Methane Hydrate Ice Balls are now traveling around the BOP and Stack. They look like shooting stars or meteorites.
82 posted on 07/22/2010 6:14:01 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape; Marine_Uncle
useful info in this subthread of some length from TOD:

bbfellow on July 22, 2010 - 10:13pm

Explains what I was seeing today.

83 posted on 07/22/2010 10:54:37 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
His Wikipedia page shows hes a member of the Council On Foreign Relations. Plain and simple he is exposing a massive cover-up by BP, and possibly the government about the real extent of this disaster, or fear mongering to further his/others agenda while calling for the "arrest" of BP executives. The truth is somewhere out there.

If I had to pick a single group who has done more to advance the Us toward being a shining trophy above the mantel of anything which could be called The New World Order (AKA GLobal Socialism), the CFR is it. The Communist Party is at least recognized as an enemy and gete routing resistance from part of the population, but the CFR has had it's tendrils in every presidency since Kennedy, with the result that we have pulled punches at the wrong time, made some critical policy errors, and have become progressively closer to being consumed by Global Socialism.

As a CFR member, what little axe might Simmons have to grind?

The continuation of the US as an energy dependent entity?

Further debilitation of the US under Obama?

Enquiring minds want to know, but I'd bet he is up to no good, and the fact he is spewing it on MSNBC does nothing to give me any faith in his credibility.

84 posted on 07/22/2010 11:13:12 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Read that thread, but he refers to a slow shallow oil seep and short term silt storms. That is not even close to what we are seeing. Just remember what was coming out of that well head. We are now seeing smokers, plumers, sedimentary ejections and Methane Hydrate iceballs. At any rate, took a few hours off and spent some time reevaluating my position on seeing the Methane Hydrate iceballs. Also did some research on old BP ROV well site videos. I am now convinced we are seeing a dramatic increase in Methane Hydrates in the form of Clathrate chunks or balls. This is due to increased natural seepage and also due to new ejections. Remember Methane Hydrate formation caused problems before. This video below shows the clathrate (methane hydrate) ejections from the top of the Macondo well head when they tried to cap it.

BP lowers cap on to leaking Gulf of Mexico oil well

Watch from 45 seconds to 1 minute. You will see some clathrate chunks moving around earlier in the video. They are present in high concentrations because this was a full blowout then and they were being ejected from the gusher. From the 45 sec to 1 minute mark the Clathrate chunks show up very intense as they attempt to cap the gusher. You see the same thing we saw yesterday. Clathrate chunks flying up and away and down from the ejection point as they flew out of the flow due to the capping attempt.

Now what is the makeup of the clathrate ? How might it behave as it travels through water ? The video below is made by an amateur, but it answers those two questions. This guy is proposing that BP use the clathrate formations to plug the BOP.

BP Oil Spill Using Gas Hydrates ( Clathrates ) to Clog the BOP

So that is what we are seeing flowing through the current, being ejected from the ground near smokers/plumers and now traveling and striking into the BOP Stack assembly. And the density of these clathrate chunks as well as the turbidity of the water are increasing every day now.

85 posted on 07/23/2010 2:46:59 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

The amateur demo was very interesting....thanks.


86 posted on 07/23/2010 9:18:45 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: justa-hairyape; Marine_Uncle
Whoa....this ties back to one of the Doomsday publicized disasters....from June....

BP OIL SPILL: VOLCANIC TSUNAMI AND POISON GAS ALERT

Ryan , of Project Camelot/Avalon discusses the latest on the Gulf of Mexi...

Federaljacktube2 | June 19, 2010

Bil Ryan , of Project Camelot/Avalon discusses the latest on the Gulf of Mexico oil spill with Dr Bill Deagle.

Dr Deagle says there is a real danger we could see a tsunami triggered by an underwater volcano that BP drilled into. He also talks about how this event could result in a mini ice age in Europe due to disruption to the flow from the gulf stream. Also, Dr Deagle goes into the dangers of the gases being emitted from the sea floor.

This catastrophe is only just starting to unfold. The worst is still to come


87 posted on 07/23/2010 9:24:46 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Smokin' Joe; justa-hairyape; Marine_Uncle; Quix; CharlesWayneCT; Hojczyk; Wonder Warthog; ...
Who is this guy,.....group...etc....?

Bil Ryan , of Project Camelot/Avalon

Dr Bill Deagle.

I think Simmons and others have picked this up and incorporated it into their Doomsday script!

And here is another one:

BP OIL DISASTER - SEA FLOOR SET TO ERUPT

88 posted on 07/23/2010 9:38:15 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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From a comment.....


89 posted on 07/23/2010 9:40:17 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All
Google searching turns up /....Project Camelot | Richard Hoagland...

Support Project Camelot - make a donation:

Listening to it....this has the casing blown out of the well as Simmons says....

90 posted on 07/23/2010 9:45:43 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

HMMMMMMM


91 posted on 07/23/2010 9:49:38 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: SE Mom; SunkenCiv; blam
Oh this is good...also includes the Bermuda Triangle....

Wonder if he gets the Nuke powered Pulse Generator into the scheme........

Where is Terrence Ayn (sp?)...he needs to sign up with Hoagland...

92 posted on 07/23/2010 9:50:02 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Quix
The ole Doomsday industry at work here.....

Think I saw that Hoagland and his enterprises might be in Albuquerque....

93 posted on 07/23/2010 9:52:05 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All
Continuing....this seems to be one of 4 ..sounds like Hoagland again:

1/4 Project Avalon: BP Oil Spill & FEMA Evacuation

94 posted on 07/23/2010 10:06:03 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Fred Nerks
Sea-floor raising 13ft per day off Australia???

Hey Fred...heard about this....?

95 posted on 07/23/2010 10:07:30 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All
and we have :

2/4 Project Avalon: BP Oil Spill & FEMA Evacuation

put out by Global Economic Crisis Review...whoever they are

96 posted on 07/23/2010 10:19:12 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All; profgoose

Geez...Simmons is really botching his part of this...he is only picking up a part of the message.


97 posted on 07/23/2010 10:27:44 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I don’t know if that’s the full explanation, or not.

The webbot stuff is indicating a list of horrors on the very near horizon. And I certainly don’t think the officials of any type are telling anything close to the truth.

Yeah, Hoagland, Linda Moulton Howe, & Charles James Hall [you tube etc.] all live in Albuquerque.


98 posted on 07/23/2010 10:32:18 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
And:

3/4 Project Avalon: BP Oil Spill & FEMA Evacuation

Now we are into the new World Order,...camps...where to put the evacuees from the gulf Coast....Martial Law.

It's getting thick.

99 posted on 07/23/2010 10:37:08 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Quix; Marine_Uncle
Finishing up this...we have:

4/4 Project Avalon: BP Oil Spill & FEMA Evacuation

Now we are into Aliens....GEEZ

100 posted on 07/23/2010 10:40:32 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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