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BP's Deepwater Oil Spill - Time is Not Our Friend - (Why gov. does not work)
The Oil Drum ^ | June 21, 2010 | Heading Out

Posted on 07/21/2010 6:38:18 AM PDT by Hojczyk

There is a certain frustration in hearing some of the officials who act as spokesmen for the management team handling the spill from the Deepwater well in the Gulf of Mexico. Their evaluation of the situation is bound around a full collection and compilation of the existing evidence, a comprehensive and contemplative understanding through a scientific explanation of the causes of whatever anomalies and other behavior that is not following the model anticipated, and subsequently then working out the best steps forward and determining the potential benefits relative to alternative approaches.

(Excerpt) Read more at theoildrum.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bp; deephorz; deepwaterhorizon; energy; mattsimmons; offshore; oil; oilspill
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To: All
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From the Hopi Prophecy

"This is the First Sign: We are told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana men who took the land that was not theirs. And men who struck their enemies with thunder.

"This is the Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of spinning wheels filled with voices. In his youth, my father saw this prophecy come true with his eyes -- the white men bringing their families in wagons across the prairies."

"This is the Third Sign: A strange beast like a buffalo but with great long horns, will overrun the land in large numbers. These White Feather saw with his eyes -- the coming of the white men's cattle."

"This is the Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron."

"This is the Fifth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web."

"This is the Sixth sign: The land shall be criss-crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun."

"This is the Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it."

"This is the Eight Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like my people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn their ways and wisdom.

"And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease.

101 posted on 07/23/2010 10:45:23 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All; Hojczyk

I need a shower with cleansing soap.


102 posted on 07/23/2010 10:52:03 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: justa-hairyape
Went back to the Oil Drum and the original start of the thread there ....and I find this...

******************************************EXCERPT**************************************

Some of the worries about seeps in the vicinity have now been put to rest, in his brief yesterday Admiral Allen noted:

The first one was to see pitch about three nautical miles (Ed. Note amended to kilometers) from the wellhead itself. We do not believe that is associated with this particular well integrity test or the Macando well.

Similarly the bubbling from the sediments around the well have not been seen as something to worry about, although the material ejected is being tested. (It proves very difficult to get a meaningful picture of this).

There is, however, one leak that is due to the well, and that is in the equipment that is sitting on the well itself.

103 posted on 07/23/2010 11:00:55 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Maybe I’m sticking my head in the sand too much.

I appreciate such videos less and less.

We already know the general outline the future will take.

The details can be nauseating.

And who but God knows what’s true amidst all the disinformation, half-truths and truth.


104 posted on 07/23/2010 11:20:34 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Another profit of doom! (pun intentional)

There are a few suspensions of disbelief needed to even make a good 'B' movie out of this. THis is presented in blue to prevent misquotes and mosconceptions:

One: You have to believe in abiotic oil. Something far from proven, never found, and in the instances people cite as 'proof' pretty easily explained as a rule. But once you get over the hurdle of believing in something there is no definitive evidence for, you can have the limitless supply of oil from the center of the Earth you need for step two...

Step two involves envisioning an oil reservoir like a magma chamber beneath a caldera.

This allows two plot lines: endless pressure from the center of the Earth blowing up a big balloon, or A big, open cavity full of oil or gas, which supports a roof, and once enough leaks out, the roof collapses. While that works with a caldera and magma, it isn't the case with oil and gas. The only big, open cavities full of oil or gas are caverns in salt hollowed out by solution mining for the purpose of storing that oil and gas for later use. The ordinary reservoir rock for oil and gas (to trot out one of my favorite examples) is just the space in between particles in rock composed of grains or shell fragments, and while sometimes enhanced by solution passsageways between the spaces and fractures in the rock, has more in common with a glass full of marbles than an open cavern.

There are rare exceptions where there is oil or gas found in what is known as a paleokarst, and I have worked in areas where this happens (think old cave systems full of oil, buried below a caprock), but the caverns would be there at depth with or without the oil--they are stable, if oversized pores in limestone.

By combining misconceptions with a theory which has only been used to pump investors (abiotic oil), the image of the yellowstone caldera can be combined with the blowout in the Gulf of Mexico to produce a horrorshow scenario worthy of late nights with that special someone at the Drive-in (the movie? what movie? (8^D))

The big question is one of why generate panic (or try to) when the problem appears to be under control?

For that, we have to dig a little deeper (maybe).

Speculation on creating panic may be as simple as getting website hits to continue a little longer so the ad rates can stay up. $$$$$ talks, and BS can bring that in, especially in a day and age where scientific (particularly Geological) education is often lacking and crackpot theories are a dime a dozen on the web.

Notoriety and name recognition sell books, speaking appearances (with juicy honoraria) and other wealth producing venues, so I'd say the bottom line is that panic sells, it is a distraction from the machinations of a government run amok, and people are hungry for something, anything to draw them away from their day-to-day troubles in a fouled up economy.

Not to be confused with The Avalon Project, Project Avalon actually has a decent treatment of the issue on their blog, Project Avalon (scroll down to the July 20 post where they actually refute Simmons), albeit as a matter of setting some things straight.

Read there and decide.

Me, I"m sticking with what I know after years of formal geological education, 31 years of experience on wellsites in the Western US, and the examination of drilled samples and cores from well over a million feet of wellbore (more like 1.5 million). Out of all that, less than 50 feet was cave (paleokarst--no samples, needless to say), and no well drilled on the abiotic model has, to my knowledge, ever produced any oil from sources not later proven to be biogenic.

105 posted on 07/23/2010 11:22:36 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Wait a second.

I got up today and the sun had risen in the east...but..my toast was shaped like the Bermuda Triangle...


106 posted on 07/23/2010 11:27:14 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

That is very ominous...please consult your local oracle...


107 posted on 07/23/2010 12:28:24 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.

Simmons is just piggybacking off of Hoagland it appears to me...see links above .

108 posted on 07/23/2010 12:35:19 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
That is just silly. Methane is the number one green house gas. The only sinister conspiracy that would fit what is going on is that BP/Obama are trying to induce global warming. This would be accomplished by large methane ejections to stimulate the green house effect. Methane could do that, CO2 could not. And I do not put it past these Marxist Goons and Fascists freaks to attempt that, but certainly do not think that is the case. Now if they continue to claim the Shut In is working with no anomalies and then claim the Relief Well worked while ignoring the increased seeps and new ejections under the sea floor, it might be an interesting conspiracy to investigate.
109 posted on 07/23/2010 2:40:39 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Richard Hoagland is like a dancing court jester keeping every ones eyes busy why the thieves raid the keep. Nice production though. If Richard is involved, I don't even listen any more. About the only thing he ever got right was water on Mars.
110 posted on 07/23/2010 2:45:47 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Sea-floor raising 13ft per day off Australia??? Hey Fred...heard about this....?

Oh boy...it's a HUGE continent, he doesn't say where, if the sea-floor was rising (and lowering?) by 13 feet every day, the entire globe would tremble. He may be referring to a region of ocean off the coast of Western Australia where there are off-shore oil deposits. I read somewhere recently that a sure sign of oil deposit is an elevation known as a 'dome'

Thanks for the pings, I've been following your threads without comment, you are a lone voice of sanity in an ocean of gloom and doom IMO.

111 posted on 07/23/2010 2:50:57 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Listening to it....this has the casing blown out of the well as Simmons says....

It is pretty much a given now that the casing is bad. In fact it was admitted that they blew out the casing earlier in the drilling stage. They supposedly fixed that one, but the way the major blowout occurred, and the way they went back to monitoring the gas leaking from the well head this morning, casing is bad. BTW - Skandi 2 showed an ROV collected gas samples from the well head this morning. There are occasional stream of gas bubbles coming from corrosion points on the wellhead main pipe itself.

112 posted on 07/23/2010 2:51:20 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The Oil Volcano and Asphalt Volcano meme. Definitely absurd. Not a volcano. Just a deep oil and methane deposit. Now if she rips a hole through the sea floor, you might see some volcanic like physical movements (smokers/plumers and clathrate ejections) but no volcano. No magma. But for comedy to work, the actions of the court jesters must have a small kernel of truth.
113 posted on 07/23/2010 2:57:17 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Gulf Coast evacuation. The reason that was leaked was that if the government decided that they had to use a nuke, the Gulf Coast would have to be evacuated. So they used the Court Jesters to condition the public for the possible evacuation. Same as the Tsunami. An underwater landslide can cause a tsunami. This is just conditioning the mind. Now when the most likely event happens, oops looks like we opened up a few holes in the sea floor, everyone will sigh and say, will at least it was not as bad as Hoagland and Simmons were saying. My 2 cents anyway.
114 posted on 07/23/2010 3:02:17 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I stopped even reading the no anomalies assessments coming out of BP/Obama. It is like they are on another planet now. Not even seeing what is going on right in front of there eyes. There is a reason a squiddy parks on a smoker/plumer and clathrate ejection point for over 2 hours and makes observations. Hey BP/Obama, it is not being done for fun. If you are going to cover it up, stop the feeds.
115 posted on 07/23/2010 3:12:21 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

OK....hmmm.


116 posted on 07/23/2010 3:24:05 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Fred Nerks
lol...Sanity eh!!

...

Just thought you ought to know that the earth was expanding in your area,...and it needs to be more even Globally...

thinking maybe you could help....LOL!

For the Lurkers...the Expanding earth is a competing theory to Plate Tectonics.

117 posted on 07/23/2010 3:28:16 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

ROV Observation - Skandi 1. Getting very difficult to see the BOP and Upper Stack from a distance. Even with multiple lights illuminating the area.


118 posted on 07/23/2010 3:59:47 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
ROV Observation - BOA DeepC1. A new BOP is being lowered. Is that for the Relief Well ?
119 posted on 07/23/2010 4:08:13 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
At least today the Oil Drum has stopped yapping about Simmons and is looking at the actual leakage going on. Here is the Sub Thread currently going about the bubble leaks. There are also pictures.

Skandi 2 Collecting Bubbles.

120 posted on 07/23/2010 4:21:06 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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