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Roads to Ruin: Towns Rip Up the Pavement
Wall Street Journal ^ | July 17, 2010 | LAUREN ETTER

Posted on 07/17/2010 5:59:50 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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Paved roads, historical emblems of American achievement, are being torn up across rural America and replaced with gravel or other rough surfaces as counties struggle with tight budgets and dwindling state and federal revenue. State money for local roads was cut in many places amid budget shortfalls.

In Michigan, at least 38 of the 83 counties have converted some asphalt roads to gravel in recent years. Last year, South Dakota turned at least 100 miles of asphalt road surfaces to gravel. Counties in Alabama and Pennsylvania have begun downgrading asphalt roads to cheaper chip-and-seal road, also known as "poor man's pavement." Some counties in Ohio are simply letting roads erode to gravel.

The moves have angered some residents because of the choking dust and windshield-cracking stones that gravel roads can kick up, not to mention the jarring "washboard" effect of driving on rutted gravel.

But higher taxes for road maintenance are equally unpopular. In June, Stutsman County residents rejected a measure that would have generated more money for roads by increasing property and sales taxes.

"I'd rather my kids drive on a gravel road than stick them with a big tax bill," said Bob Baumann, as he sipped a bottle of Coors Light at the Sportsman's Bar Café and Gas in Spiritwood.

Rebuilding an asphalt road today is particularly expensive because the price of asphalt cement, a petroleum-based material mixed with rocks to make asphalt, has more than doubled over the past 10 years. Gravel becomes a cheaper option once an asphalt road has been neglected for so long that major rehabilitation is necessary.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: Alabama; US: Michigan; US: Ohio; US: Pennsylvania; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: alabama; infrastructure; michigan; ohio; pennsylvania; roads; southdakota
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To: reaganaut1

Pay more and get less. It’s the American way when the government dominates.


21 posted on 07/17/2010 6:21:03 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Politicians exist to break windows so they may spend other people's money to fix them.)
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To: boomop1

Not really. The money is going to unions and Obama friendly corporations and industries.

Personally I’m OK with it simply because I don’t want stolen money that comes with strings attatched.


22 posted on 07/17/2010 6:21:26 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: reaganaut1; Willie Green; narses

You’ve got to love those “self-supporting” roads!


23 posted on 07/17/2010 6:22:24 AM PDT by B-Chan
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To: Abathar

Absolutely nothing wrong with chip and oil roads, IMHO.


24 posted on 07/17/2010 6:23:12 AM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Most places didn’t have police until a hundred years ago. You were expected as a man, as an American to protect your own property and your self.

Police are basically....welfare for security... Or political enforces of state edicts against non criminals( that would be us ).


25 posted on 07/17/2010 6:23:47 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: printhead

Oh, Heaven forbid! Why, don’t you know that the motor fuel tax is a “user fee”, not a tax?


26 posted on 07/17/2010 6:23:56 AM PDT by B-Chan
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To: Wonder Warthog
"What are the hundreds of billions of stimulus dollars and gas tax revenues being used for?"

"Ass" transit.

Evidence or GTFO

27 posted on 07/17/2010 6:25:14 AM PDT by B-Chan
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To: reaganaut1
Paved roads, historical emblems of American achievement, are being torn up across rural America and replaced with gravel or other rough surfaces....

Way, way behind the times. Oklahoma let I-40 devolve into a gravel goat path over 20 years ago and has done little to nothing to repair it, especially in OKC and points east. There's a stretch of about 140 miles that has tank traps. Worst roads in the country, IMHO, and I've been to 49 states. Last time I went through there (Feb. 2010) I seriously considered sending ODOT a letter to ask them exactly what was their threshold for repaving.....

28 posted on 07/17/2010 6:26:17 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: livius

I thought of Ancient Rome too, though knew nothing of this book you entioned. It is a tragedy what future Americans will experience. It is all slipping away. I live in Pittsburgh, and there are areas around here that just died in the 1970s-80s, and they are not ever coming back.


29 posted on 07/17/2010 6:26:34 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: livius

I grew up reading books like that. Since the late 70’s or so, children’s literature has consisted mainly of drivel: pre-teen angst, “Babysitter’s Club” and “Captain Underpants” type garbage. The first book I remember reading was a biography written for children about Molly Pitcher. I was in the third grade. Early 60’s.


30 posted on 07/17/2010 6:27:24 AM PDT by FrdmLvr ( VIVA la SB 1070!)
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To: livius

Everywhere the state builders, the government growers have built buildings, roads, bridges, social programs that we can not maintain.

It’s like a once wealthy person that still has the estate, the yacht at the end of the dock, the garage full of exotic cars but has let the staff go because they no longer have the income needed to maintain everything.

We have trillions of dollars in government employee pensions coming due. Many towns face the choice of pensions, or basic services. My bet is that the pay off pensions first.


31 posted on 07/17/2010 6:27:38 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: livius
Hah! Ever tried to ride a bike on a gravel road? I think they’ve got a surprise coming...

The only thing rougher is hitting a pothole--or a lot of them. Some of the county roads here have been replaced with pavement--the asphalt layers were ground up and re-used elsewhere because there is still some material in them and the 'mix' (sand, gravel, etc) is right already.

We have very good gravel roads here for vehicle traffic. It is not uncommon to do 50 or 60 on them, but they are well packed and maintained.

The 'equal priority for bicycles' is crap, though, when major towns are 100 miles apart--especially with our winters.

32 posted on 07/17/2010 6:27:50 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Abathar
I grew up on gravel roads in Michigan, and to be honest I kind of liked them.

Same here but using the money for something else is what really needs to stop.
33 posted on 07/17/2010 6:28:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: WVKayaker

Ironic. The Chicoms are buying more cars then ever before while we devolve to bicycles.


34 posted on 07/17/2010 6:29:03 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Leisler
You were expected as a man, as an American to protect your own property and your self.

Still that way here in SE Tennessee. In fact, the local county Sheriff pretty much told me that exact thing not two years ago when I complained about all the illegals and the associated burglaries that were happening.....

35 posted on 07/17/2010 6:29:34 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: reaganaut1

Good, then they can deal with the broken windshield claims instead.


36 posted on 07/17/2010 6:29:39 AM PDT by headstamp 2 ("My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter")
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To: Abathar
I grew up on gravel roads in Michigan, and to be honest I kind of liked them. There was no dust at all, in fact the road I grew up on was so well packed and compressed with oil I could lay dark black rubber on it without trenching it was so hard.

There is a difference between a gravel road and an engineered road. My road is engineered. They put down tar or oil (not sure which) and then fill it with gravel. They did it ten years ago and the road has outlasted any asphalt road in the area. Asphalt is a quick, easy fix but now oil is expensive and they can't replace them as easily as before.

Can't wait till we get of off oil altogether. It'll be fun driving on... I don't know what they'll make the roads out of then.

I bet Gore and his cronies are buying up cement mines right now.

37 posted on 07/17/2010 6:30:08 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: reaganaut1
If the road building lobby in Iowa wasn't so powerful, I suspect that there would be significant downgrading of many county blacktops that run where multiple family farms, rural consolidated schools and small towns used to be.

Should the contractors, politicians and IDOT figure out a way to skim and split just as much tax money by merely maintaining a lower-maintenance level gravel road as they would by asphalting/re-asphalting it, Iowa can be back in the mud PDQ.

Mr. niteowl77

38 posted on 07/17/2010 6:30:43 AM PDT by niteowl77 (I don't mind them stewing in their own juices, but I do object to me stewing in their own juices.)
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To: B-Chan

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2554084/posts


39 posted on 07/17/2010 6:30:45 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: B-Chan
Evidence or GTFO

Did I see you on Larry King demanding that someone else's mic be shut off?
40 posted on 07/17/2010 6:31:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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