Posted on 07/14/2010 11:25:16 AM PDT by Lance Romance
LV officer at Costco recorded in 911 call
Official says police shout at victim: 'Get on the ground'
A 911 call made by a Summerlin Costco employee captures police shouting orders to 39-year-old Erik Scott before the U.S. Military Academy graduate was shot and killed, according to Las Vegas police.
Capt. Patrick Neville said an employee was talking to dispatchers and was close enough to the scene on Saturday that a recording of the conversation caught an officer clearly yelling, "Get on the ground."
Police have refused to release the recording. Investigators hope to review store surveillance video, but Neville said he didn't know whether any video of the shooting existed.
Neville has to be an idiot because even if this was true, the last I heard it wasn't an executable offense.
"Neville on Monday also addressed the incident which prompted Costco to call police. He said the incident started when a customer reported seeing Scott opening boxes and removing water bottles, putting some in his cart and some on the floor.
During a heated discussion with Scott, a security worker confronting him over the opened boxes noticed Scott's gun in his waistband, Neville said.
Some time passed before a Costco employee called police to report a man with a gun who was acting erratically in the store, he said.
"He was doing something out of the norm," he said. "
the punishment :
death by Metro ---------------
somehow I'm just not buying that this water bottle unpackager would confront police
2+2 does not equal 22 as the police claim , give it a week, AS USUAL, by friday Metro will have this well covered up and lots of "witnesses" lined up
Early reports said witnesses said he was trying to see which bottles fit in his backpack.
that should insulate Costco from any civil liability
My brother is out of town (actually getting briefed to go to Astan to train the police in weapons), a former detective and a fire arms instructor. I had asked him if he heard about this incident....First thing out of his mouth was, “You mean the guy murdered by the police?”
Absolutely wrong procedure. The police had their weapons drawn while the customers were leaving. Should have either waited til he was at his car or approached him quietly and said can I talk to you minute, explained why they were called, telling him not to move his hands, after he said he had a CCW they should have asked where it was, if he is said his pocket, they should have said, Sir, I am going to reach into your pocket and hand you your wallet, please show me your CCW. In the meantime, one of the other officers should have been talking to the employee who made the call.
Unless he was outside waving a gun around you never draw down in a crowd unless it is absolutely necessary!!!!
Why do you expect that he should donate the money to charity? >>>>>>
Because it is blood money. No money will bring back his son. Lets say he gives half to charity like an Army veterans fund
Again, this is Captain Neville’s version of what happened. We have no idea what the Costco employee said on the 911 tapes. We have no idea if Scott actually had a heated argument with security. There are conflicting reports- and a lot of them are coming from this Captain Neville character who apparently wasn’t even there when it happened. And who is this Captain Neville? There’s nothing about him being a department spokesman. Why is he involved in this in the first place? Something is really rotten in Denmark. Is one of the cops invovled in the shooting a relative of someone in Vegas with a lot of clout? In almost every case of a cop shooting a civilian, the cops keep as mum as possible about what went down. But this clown Neville doesn’t seem to be able to shut up. I’m telling you, this is a dirty shooting and the cops know it.
I can’t see where checking out a few water bottles to see if they fit in a backpack (probably the side zippered poackets?) is a huge deal. Heck - those stupid food tasting carts cause more disruption to shopping at Costco.
Another Neville quote "...Very non normal behavior"Well by all means, then, gun the sucker down.
Can't have any Abby Normals running around, can we?
that should insulate Costco from any civil liability
Neville is claiming a Costco customer called 911, not a Costco employee?
Scott was at Costco with his fiancee, who was standing near him when he was shot. No widow.
As I’ve said on other threads, and gotten heat from the cop-lovers for: The LVMPD has a history, and it isn’t good.
They’re not exactly the most professional force out there, and they have a history of hating CCW licensees. Their actions during the legislative hearings when Nevada went to a shall-issue CCW system showed that they were either:
a) stupid. I’m talking “as stupid as a truckload of stump holes” stupid here. Flagrant stupidity about firearms safety that calls into question their competence to possess and use same.
b) mendacious.
c) Both of the above.
They were happily sweeping the legislature with the scary guns they were pulling out of their paper shopping bag at the hearing. They were making absurd claims about what people would be packing with a CCW - showing off things like one of those sub-gun wanna-be pistols, and from where I was sitting, it looked like a Tec-9. This was their scare tactic to get gun registration on the CCW card - that you could qualify with only two types of handguns, and the LVMPD wanted the make, model and serial number of the gun which you were “qualified to use” on your CCW license. LVMPD is still the driving force behind limiting CCW’s as much as possible, and their most recent tactic is to refuse reciprocity based on their criteria.
One thing that many out-of-Vegas CCW holders don’t know is that Las Vegas requires you to register your handgun:
http://www.lvmpd.com/permits/firearms_registration.html
I would NB for those who are unfamiliar with the history of this in Las Vegas spoken to by this:
“If a board of county commissioners in a county whose population is 400,000 or more has required by ordinance or regulation adopted before June 13, 1989, the registration of a firearm capable of being concealed, the board of county commissioners shall amend such an ordinance or regulation to require:”
The Nevada Revised Statutes are riddled with these “county whose population is XXX” clauses to tailor statutes to Clark only, Clark & Washoe, or Clark, Washoe, Ormsby (now called Carson City) counties.
The county code used to read that if you were in Clark County for more than 24 hours and you had a handgun with you, you had to register it. If you did not register your handgun while in Vegas/Clark County (regardless of where you were from, whether you had a CCW, etc), and you got into any issue with the LEO’s in Vegas and could not show a “blue card,” they popped you for an unregistered firearm. This was their “get back at the rural counties” thing, and wholly inspired by their mob connections. This was changed in 2007 to the language you see today.
The rest of the state LEO’s with whom I’ve talked are supportive of CCW’s, and I’ve been stopped by cow counties’ LEO’s when I’ve had loaded handguns in the car, in full view. Never, ever had a problem. Every LEO warned me tho, that “while it is legal... do NOT drive around with a handgun in plain view in Vegas... because being legal and dead just doesn’t work out too well.” In Nevada, you can drive around with a loaded handgun in your car in plain view (ie, not concealed), or locked out of view without a CCW. As soon as you have a loaded handgun in a car on your person, you’d better have a CCW.
NB that none of this constitutes legal advice. North Las Vegas and Boulder are known to have their own codes WRT firearms.
LVMPD has a history. This incident is entirely consonant with their history. Guys like Neville are right in line with the mendacious stupidity I’ve seen from LVMPD in the past.
In your opinion, is it likely they’ll get away with this? Or is Mr Scotts father influential enough to get something done?
In Nevada, you can drive around with a loaded handgun in your car in plain view (ie, not concealed), or locked out of view without a CCW. As soon as you have a loaded handgun in a car on your person, you’d better have a CCW.I think you've got a typo here or something. It's not very clear.
In a car, in plain view, a loaded handgun on the seat beside you when you're driving... you need a CCW or not?
It used to be not. When I lived in LV years ago I used to go target shooting "outside of town" (in quotes because those areas are now inside of town, such has the town grown).
My brother, who still lives there and doesn't have a CCW, was driving to a range a few years ago and had a gun on his front seat and made a questionable left turn. A couple of motorcycle cops pulled up beside him to pull him over and saw the gun and went hysterical and ballistic, yelling at him to whatever (I forget the details)... but they didn't shoot him and he ended up going on his way with his gun still on his front seat. I don't even think he got a ticket. He says it's because they were sheepish at their own over-reaction. I don't know. I wasn't there.
As far as their "history" goes, you're probably right, though I don't have anything specific to add about that.
I remember that story. Very tragic.
Of that, I have no idea. Predictions are difficult, especially about the future, and doubly so where a possible trial and the “legal” system is involved. The level of corruption in Las Vegas is high, and not to be underestimated.
The LVMPD has kept their checkbook ready at hand and wide open for years to deal with events like this. If the price is pushed high enough, the taxpayers might finally be fed up enough to push for change.
Remember who the mayor of Vegas currently is: a mob lawyer.
Not a pretend, I’m-making-this-up-hyperbole mob lawyer. The real deal. Oscar Goodman was Lefty Rosenthal’s lawyer when the Nevada Gaming Commission wanted Lefty out of business. Goodman also represented “Tony the Ant” Spilatro (sp?), who was well known for being a killer.
And yet, the residents of Vegas voted for a mob lawyer for mayor.
Does that give you an indication of how corrupt the town is?
... anymore. I find it hard to believe that this store isn't covered with video cameras to suppress shoplifting. If they aren't sure about a tape, it is most likely because the tape has been suppressed, or there is a problem (not so far identified) with the recording system. I'm often sympathetic to the police, but this one sounds really bad. Mr. Scott sounds squeaky clean.
Is there a possibility that the state might step in?
thanks for the ping
Won’t release the recording. And, after 5 days, LVPD still hasn’t checked to see if any store surveillance videos are available to review? Nor do they know if any witnesses recorded the incident?
You have got to be kidding me.
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