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Drop 'miles per gallon' as fuel measure, says US National Research Council
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Posted on 07/13/2010 8:04:34 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

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To: Pontiac

“Why not give people a more useful yard stick with which to compare vehicles

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1970 Cadillac Sedan Deville, 4 door, 500 cu. in., loaded pulling 6X12 tandem trailer packed full. 17 mpg at 70 mph.

Best mileage I have ever experienced.


81 posted on 07/13/2010 9:40:19 AM PDT by Perfesser
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To: Sub-Driver
The panel urged that fuel use be displayed as fuel consumed - perhaps as volume of fuel used per 100 miles - alongside the traditional miles-per-gallon measure. This standard is used already in Europe, with fuel use being given in terms of litres used per 100 kilometres travelled.

Oh, yeah...

This will go over well with people who can't even make change correctly at McDonalds.

-PJ

82 posted on 07/13/2010 9:41:49 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: GeorgeSaden
But rationing one's money is so European. Spend! Spend! Spend!

Well, yes. That's it, basically.

I know what I want, and I work so that I can afford it. If I want more, I work harder. My money is not limited, because I can always work more. That's the American way.

The European mindset, on the other hand, holds that my consumption will be limited, so it doesn't make sense to work harder and I better turn my attention to living well within those limited means. That's the European way.

They both make sense. Pick the one you like best. I like the American way.

83 posted on 07/13/2010 9:42:18 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gov. Chris Christie (R) won the NJ-6 held by Rep. Frank Pallone (D) by a 15.5% margin!)
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To: Red Badger

A man after my own heart! Everyone should use Furlongs per fortnight.


84 posted on 07/13/2010 9:52:17 AM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: GeorgeSaden

I have to leave you now to go out and drive my car around. I will drive about 10 miles, which is the distance to the restaurant where I will be eating lunch and back. I don’t know exactly how much fuel I will consume, nor do I care. I have a half a tank, which will be enough.

I will greatly enjoy my lunch, without thinking too much about how it will effect my daily intake of calories. If I get the steak and potatoes with the pie for desert and a couple of beers, I will make sure to run a couple of extra miles in the morning.


85 posted on 07/13/2010 9:52:28 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gov. Chris Christie (R) won the NJ-6 held by Rep. Frank Pallone (D) by a 15.5% margin!)
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To: discostu
I remember in my old car which got about 220 city miles and 250 highway on a tank driving to San Francisco on I5, seeing a sign that said the next gas station was the last one for like 240 miles and hoping for nice smooth freeway traffic all the way. Honestly I don’t think I ever knew the MPG of that car, I could have done the math but it didn’t matter, I knew once the trip odometer (my “real” gas gauge just like for you) clicked to 200 I thought about my plans for the next couple of days to decide when I was getting gas.

Right. MPG wasn't very useful to you. So you used something similar to L/100KM or gallons/100miles. In your case, it was probably 10gallons/250miles or 1 tank/250 miles or $25/250 miles.

Anyone that thinks in terms of dollars per tank per 300 miles is already pretty close to thinking in terms of gallons/100miles.

86 posted on 07/13/2010 9:53:21 AM PDT by GeorgeSaden
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To: Haiku Guy

LOL. You should have sent her.


87 posted on 07/13/2010 9:53:59 AM PDT by stormer
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To: cynwoody

It’s just a ratio. Seriously, is it that hard to figure out?


88 posted on 07/13/2010 9:55:07 AM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: stormer

They weren’t designing an airplane. They measured a pool, obviously with some acceptable margin of error. For us to state that means the Bible says pi equals 3.000... is for us to violate the significant figure rule right now.


89 posted on 07/13/2010 9:55:09 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Sub-Driver

In keeping with prevalent social trends, motor vehicles will now be rated on how good they make you feel about yourself instead of the outdated notion of fuel economy.


90 posted on 07/13/2010 9:58:08 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Political Junkie Too
This will go over well with people who can't even make change correctly at McDonalds.

I think that's the point. Relative mpg measurements are obviously too difficult for many to understand correctly. Changing it makes it so even that crowd can judge relative fuel consumption accurately.

91 posted on 07/13/2010 9:58:40 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: stormer
LOL. You should have sent her.

That reminds me of another story from that trip. The next day we were driving along and saw three or four vans out in the tall grass. I knew there was a leopard in the area, and the girlfriend had not seen one yet, so I got off the road.

Well, in the tall grass, we couldn't see a thing in that little Renault 4, so she starts in again, about how she wants to see the leopard, and why can't she if all these people in the vans can, etc.

I told her that if she wanted to see the bloody thing, she should get out of the car and walk over and take a look. Then the van driver next to me leans over and tells me that if she opened that door, he was going to call the Ranger.

I just about let her go, then thought better of it...

92 posted on 07/13/2010 9:59:09 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gov. Chris Christie (R) won the NJ-6 held by Rep. Frank Pallone (D) by a 15.5% margin!)
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To: GeorgeSaden

You’re missing the point, gallons per 100 miles wouldn’t be any more useful to me than miles per gallon, because in the end they’re the same measurement. What matters to me, and most drivers, is miles per tank because that’s how far we’ve got before we have to visit a gas station again.

I’m not thinking in dollars per anything most days. I’ve gotten lucky enough in life that I don’t care, most times when I fill up I don’t even look at the price per gallon. How many miles are left in the tank are what matters, because that determines whether I need to fill up today. I’m filling my gas tank on the way home tonight at my usual gas station, because that’s about where I’m at on the trip odometer, I can do lunch, I can get home, I can probably even be able to get to work tomorrow morning, but morning fill ups aren’t terribly convenient, and I don’t have enough to get through lunch tomorrow. I have no idea how much my usual station is charging today, and I don’t care, because it really doesn’t change that it’s time to fill it up.


93 posted on 07/13/2010 10:00:23 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: BfloGuy
Changing it makes sense. Distance traveled per gallon is more meaningful and provides a better comparison. Why the resistance? It’s not as if they’re suggesting we go metric.

The current measure (miles per gallon) IS distance traveled per gallon. So changing it would mean using something else that is less meaningful and does not provide as good a comparison. But changing it makes sense? Your statement does not.

94 posted on 07/13/2010 10:00:39 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Vermont Lt
I bought an HHR for business. 156k miles in three years. The cost of tires, brakes, and other ancillary costs make it more expensive to drive than my Trailblazer was over the same period. The reason is that it was simply not built for work—it looks like it was—and it was positioned that way. But it really is a lightweight peice of junk.

A car which gets 20 mpg, and is driven 15K miles per year (a reasonable average), consumes 750 gallons. This costs about $2,000 at current prices near my house. Depreciation, maintenance, insurance, etc, are bigger factors in total cost of ownership of a vehicle.

95 posted on 07/13/2010 10:07:56 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Pontiac
One of the best commercials I ever saw was for the Volkswagen Beetle (yes, I'm that old...). They calculated the cost of ownership at “Two pennies per mile!”

Of course, these were 1960's pennies, so today it would probably be closer to 30 cents...
96 posted on 07/13/2010 10:10:45 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Vermont Lt
"HHR"

HHR?? No comprende acronym.

97 posted on 07/13/2010 10:12:04 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: GeorgeSaden
Right. MPG wasn't very useful to you. So you used something similar to L/100KM or gallons/100miles. In your case, it was probably 10gallons/250miles or 1 tank/250 miles or $25/250 miles.

Anyone that thinks in terms of dollars per tank per 300 miles is already pretty close to thinking in terms of gallons/100miles.

No, he was thinking 220 to 250 MILES PER TANK. He wasn't thinking of how much gas he would use to go 100 miles, but rather that he could get 220 to 250 miles per tank of gasoline. If he were thinking in terms of gallons per 100 miles, he would have been deciding whether to keep the 15 gallon tank or trade it out for the 20 gallon tank if he needed to go further.

98 posted on 07/13/2010 10:19:44 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Wonder Warthog

HHR is a relatively new crossover vehicle from Government Motors. It is kind of cross between Chrysler’s PT Cruiser and Chevrolet’s Blazer. Looks like a SUV, but is lighter weight to be more fuel efficient.


99 posted on 07/13/2010 10:22:06 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: discostu
But so much of that information is best sought elsewhere.

Very true.

What you did is what a smart man does when he narrows his choices down to the last two or three vehicles.

But a generic yearly cost figure could help the average Joe narrow down the field to those last two or three options. (and you know your not an average Joe don’t you?)

100 posted on 07/13/2010 10:22:57 AM PDT by Pontiac
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