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US Justice Department to review BART shooting [For Obama, Holder, Race Always Trumps EVERYthing]
ABC News ^ | 07/09/10 | Staff

Posted on 07/09/2010 7:37:56 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

The U.S. Department of Justice will conduct an independent review of the Johannes Mehserle case in order to determine whether or not the shooting merits federal prosecution, according the department.

"The Justice Department has been closely monitoring the state's investigation and prosecution," the department said in a statement.

"The Civil Rights Division, the U.S. Attorney's Office, and the FBI have an open investigation into the fatal shooting and, at the conclusion of the state's prosecution, will conduct an independent review of the facts and circumstances to determine whether the evidence warrants federal prosecution."

Congresswoman Barbara Lee, D-Oakland, said she has been in touch with the justice department.

"I remain in close contact with the Department of Justice and will continue to work with them, the family and the community in the days ahead," she said in a statement.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: bart; california; department; doj; holder; justice; liberalracism; mehserle; mobjustice; oakland; obama; oscargrant; review; shooting; us
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Elections have consequences.


21 posted on 07/09/2010 7:58:09 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats = authoritarian socialists)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"I don't know all the facts . . . but the jury acted foolishly"


B. Hussein Obama

22 posted on 07/09/2010 8:00:15 AM PDT by haywoodwebb (ISLAM = DEATH! . . . . Black & Humble . . .)
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To: DCBurgess58

“They don’t re-try them on the same charge, they try them on a civil rights charge.”

What you say is true.

However, there’s one major difference between the Rodney King beating and the Oakland case: one was intentional, the other clearly accidental. Both on video.


23 posted on 07/09/2010 8:00:34 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: beebuster2000
can you do that? try the guy twice for the same thing?

If he is tried he will be tried for violating the decedent's federally-guaranteed civil rights in a federal court, which are different charges in a different jurisdiction.

One thing about the whole story that strikes me as very questionable is Ofc. Mehserle's contention that he confused his sidearm with his taser and that he intended to tase Grant, not shoot him.

This claim is simply not believable. The weapons look and feel and weigh differently from one another and in these situations muscle memory kicks in.

It seems very unlikely that he would have drawn from the opposite side and pulled out a heavier weapon with a different handfeel and not have noticed. This would be plausible if he had switched the normal positioning of the respective holsters, but he hadn't - they were where they usually were.

24 posted on 07/09/2010 8:01:05 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

According to our progressive friends, The Black Panther incident and a white cop are totally two different events.

One is ‘fighting’ for social justice while the other one is promoting ‘hate’ along with ‘intolerance’.

Alice, welcome to wonderland....and Annie,get your gun,there is a bad moon rising.


25 posted on 07/09/2010 8:01:05 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Republic of Texas

You raise an interesting point. If a black cop shot a white man, would the Holder Justice Department be interested? Holder has said that hate crime laws only apply if the victim is a minority.


26 posted on 07/09/2010 8:01:30 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats = authoritarian socialists)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Read the story and watched two videos and still don’t know anything about the circumstances of the shooting.


27 posted on 07/09/2010 8:03:13 AM PDT by moonhawk (Pre-order your "Don't blame me, I didn't vote!" bumper stickers here on Free Republic now.)
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To: Flatus I. Maximus

Watch the interviews of the enraged blacks responding to the verdict. They all “know” what crime was committed therefore the outcome is unjust. Holder uses the same “logic”.

Note how carefully the rioters chose the stores to loot to vent their “outrage”. A new pair of Nikes and big screen TV goes a long way toward righting their perceived social injustice.

This is what we’re up against folks.


28 posted on 07/09/2010 8:03:19 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Maybe the Holder Justice Department can do something about lawlessness on the BART system. That would benefit the people of Oakland.


29 posted on 07/09/2010 8:03:40 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats = authoritarian socialists)
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To: Flatus I. Maximus
This is a Federal charge, just like in the Rodney King case, and it could happen to anyone in the country, even a cop in your state.
30 posted on 07/09/2010 8:05:21 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
This was all part of that cowardly conversation Erica wanted to have.
31 posted on 07/09/2010 8:05:44 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: wideawake
Regardless of the facts in this case, the practice of bringing civil rights charges after state cases are done is in fact double jeopardy, pure and simple.
32 posted on 07/09/2010 8:07:51 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

What was the jury’s makeup - I doubt the LA jury was an all white KKK card carrying jury... But I can’t find any info on the jury, who could have convicte him of second degree murder, but chose the lesser charge... ( The jury , not the media or cops get to convict people, and determine the severity of the crime) 12 people agreed..


33 posted on 07/09/2010 8:14:16 AM PDT by Waverunner
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Regardless of the facts in this case, the practice of bringing civil rights charges after state cases are done is in fact double jeopardy, pure and simple.

That is not uniformly true, but it is often true.

The problem here is that Ofc. Mehserle's superior at the scene, Ofc. Pirone, was caught on tape yelling a racial epithet at the decedent.

Sadly, that fact alone gives Holder's DOJ all the justification it needs for retrying Ofc. Mehserle.

34 posted on 07/09/2010 8:15:47 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: magellan
This is brazen and political.

Its worse than that - its racial. Not a bit different than a bunch of crackers dragging a black accused of raping a white girl from his cell and lynching him.

35 posted on 07/09/2010 8:16:03 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Waverunner

It sounds to me like the jury simply didn’t feel that there was evidence of intent to commit murder.


36 posted on 07/09/2010 8:19:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: wideawake
You are correct, the POS former officer killed the guy after he was holding him down and a shot to the head even from a taser could also kill.
37 posted on 07/09/2010 8:29:31 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: wideawake
It's former officer, he resigned after the shooting before he could be fired.
38 posted on 07/09/2010 8:31:39 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: wideawake
He testified, and the jury obviously believed he did not intentionally shoot a prone, unarmed man in front of hundreds of people.

It was a reasonable verdict and Obama knows it....just like Obama knows he has to keep black Americans stirred up and believing they are oppressed. Otherwise where would the commies get their votes?

39 posted on 07/09/2010 8:32:04 AM PDT by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: org.whodat
You are correct, the POS former officer killed the guy after he was holding him down and a shot to the head even from a taser could also kill.

The situation is actually far more complicated than that.

Mr. Grant was not shot in the head, but in the lower back - and he actually would have survived the initial bullet wound, according to testimony, if the round had not ricocheted off the poured concrete beneath Grant into his lung.

Also, pretty much every witness agrees that Ofc. Mehserle was not holding him down but was attempting to get Mr. Grant's hand out of his waistband and into cuffing position.

It was a fluid situation which was out of Ofc. Mehserle's control as he tried to restrain a suspect in the midst of a crowd that was turning on him.

I don't think he intended to murder Grant, but I do think he was extremely angry and frightened and did intend to shoot him - in order to neutralize Mr. Grant's attempts at resisting and to make the gathering crowd think twice about rushing the officers.

A crowd of angry drunks on New Year's Eve is a crowd that will not be deterred by a single tasing.

40 posted on 07/09/2010 8:47:10 AM PDT by wideawake
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