Posted on 07/07/2010 3:17:29 PM PDT by ATLAHWorldwide
Congress: Arrest Mr. Obama
Dr. James David Manning calls for Congress to arrest Mr. Obama. Recorded on 21 June 2010. http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=8723
Now jamese, it seems you have received orders to deflect the real issue of an illegal alien or the attempt from others to discourage the removal of an usurper who is determined to take the country down the Marxism lanes with your approval, or do you have ADD???
Your continues deflecting postings is NOT a question on if you agree or not with the NBC people here (the Constitution) but a concerted effort to screw up the discussion. I wish you good luck to see your misguided results after Nov. 4 election 2012!!!
If a Grand Jury investigation with subpoena power could accomplish both or either of those goals, why won’t you support that legal strategy? Both the Nixon resignation and the Clinton impeachment were derived from Grand Jury investigations, not from civil lawsuits.
What you call “screwing up the discussion” is in actuality presenting real facts that you are unable to refute.
I ask once again, why is a Republican administration in Hawaii supporting Obama on the natural born citizen issue?
What would be their motive?
Why has no official of the national Republican Party including John McCain and Sarah Palin joined any lawsuit challenging Obama’s eligibility? Both McCain and Palin might well be granted legal standing to sue Obama.
Why has the Republican National Committee not filed an amicus brief in support of any Obama eligibility lawsuit?
Why did a Republican Governor and a Republican Attorney General in Indiana defend Obama in the Ankeny et. al v The Governor of Indiana, Mitch Daniels lawsuit which ruled that Obama is indeed a natural born citizen.
Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by [the Supreme Court of the United States in their 1898 decision in the case of U.S. v.] Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are natural born Citizens for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those born in the allegiance of the United States natural-born citizens.Indiana Court of Appeals, Ankeny et. al. v The Governor of Indiana, Mitch Daniels, Nov. 12, 2009
The is one thing about a fact ,it never changes. obama was previously listed as being born at Queens hosiptal. So where was he born at Queens,Kapiolani, coastal hospital(Kenya). Until such time as a,CERTIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICARE is released we will never know.
But as most liberals do ,you are missing the point, it doesnt matter where obama was born at ,he is not a Natural born citizen.
Why are you allowing yourself to be used? Are you interested in the facts? Is there any logical reason why obama has sealed all his record? should obama be above the law?
You are an unwitting dupe for Obama but you’re much too stupid to realize it. If Obama didn’t have the birthers, he’d have to invent them.
Its a classic Saul Alinsky, community organizer training “divide and conquer” technique. Alinsky’s actual words: “take what your opponent perceives as your greatest weakness and use it against them.”
I’m sure the lawyer/constitutional law senior lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School part of Obama enjoys being 70 and 0 in lawsuits challenging his eligibility.
Here’s what a conservative Republican federal judge from Georgia appointed by George W. Bush on the recommendation of Georgia Senator Saxby Chambliss had to say. The Judge is a former Republican state legislator:
A spurious claim questioning the Presidents constitutional legitimacy may be protected by the First Amendment, but a Courts placement of its imprimatur upon a claim that is so lacking in factual support that it is frivolous would undoubtedly disserve the public interest.
For all of these reasons, the Court finds that Plaintiffs
motion for a temporary restraining order should be denied.
CONCLUSION
For the reasons previously stated, Plaintiffs motion for a
temporary restraining order is denied and Plaintiffs complaint is dismissed in its entirety. Defendants shall recover their costs from Plaintiff. US Federal District Court Judge for the Middle District of Georgia Clay Land in dismissing Rhodes v MacDonald, September 16, 2009.
The Judge then went on to sanction “birther” attorney Orly Taitz with a fine of $20,000 for misusing the legal system by filing frivolous lawsuits that are only being filed to advance a political agenda.
obama posted a birth certification form. This is nothing more than a Hawaiian registation form. Commonly used in Hawaii to register children born out of country.
Hawaiian records dept ADMITTED THAT IT DOES NOT CONFIRM PLACE OF BIRTH.
A CERTIFIED CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH WOULD CONTAIN HOSPITAL INFORMATION.
Please do not insult my intelligience by using a far left “media” source like Politfact as a souce of facts.
What you have shown is we need to replace a number of biased radical left wing judges who care nothing about the Constitution .
obama posted a birth certification form. This is nothing more than a Hawaiian registation form. Commonly used in Hawaii to register children born out of country.
Hawaiian records dept ADMITTED THAT IT DOES NOT CONFIRM PLACE OF BIRTH.
A CERTIFIED CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH WOULD CONTAIN HOSPITAL INFORMATION.
Please do not insult my intelligience by using a far left media source like Politfact as a souce of facts.
What you have shown is we need to replace a number of biased radical left wing judges who care nothing about the Constitution .
What you have shown is we need to replace a number of biased radical left wing judges who care nothing about the Constitution .
The Hawaii Certification of Live Birth is the official and ONLY birth certificate issued by the state of Hawaii since they went paperless in 2001. That was way before Obama. The Hawaii Certification of Live Birth can be used to get a US Passport and that means that under US federal law, it is the only proof of birth that a person will ever need to show for state or federal purposes.
The following is excerpted from an article in the Honolulu Star-Bulliten newspaper entitled “Born Identity.”
“Birth certificate styles adjust to fit times and regulations”
Question: What is the states policy for issuing a Certification of Live Birth versus a Certificate of Live Birth? My first, second and fourth children received certificates, but my third and fifth children received certifications. Why the difference? The certificate contains more information, such as the name of hospital, certifiers name and title; attendants name and title, etc. The certification has only the childs name, date and time of birth, sex, city/island/county of birth, mothers maiden name, mothers race, fathers name and fathers race. Why doesnt the state just issue certificates? When did it stop issuing certificates? Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?
Answer: No, you cant obtain a certificate of live birth anymore.
The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
The department only issues certifications of live births, and that is the official birth certificate issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.
http://obamaeligibility.org/2009/06/21/born-identity-star-bulletin-interviews-janice-okubo/
One very simple answer: IT’S THE RACE CARD, STUPID!!!
“Why has no official of the national Republican Party including John McCain and Sarah Palin joined any lawsuit challenging Obamas eligibility? Both McCain and Palin might well be granted legal standing to sue Obama.”
Here’s the same answer: The Race Card, Stupid!!!
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=sr110-511
Why has no official of the national Republican Party including John McCain and Sarah Palin joined any lawsuit challenging Obamas eligibility? Both McCain and Palin might well be granted legal standing to sue Obama.
Heres the same answer: The Race Card, Stupid!!!
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=sr110-511
The resolution on John McCain relates to the race card, how?
If all those big name conservatives who might well have a real chance of bringing down Obama on ineligiblity are intimidated by the race card, what is the alternative? Isn’t it obvious after 70 failed lawsuits by average citizens that another strategy is needed?
Or perhaps you are such a loser that you enjoy having every lawsuit dismissed for lack of standing to sue.
Here’s an alternative plan to failed civil suits, use the criminal side of the court system:
(1) Search the nation for the right prosecuting attorney who isn’t afraid of Obama or the race card and who might like to become the most famous prosecutor in American history. That person could be a state’s Attorney General, a US Attorney who is a holdover from the Bush adminitration like Illinois’ Patrick Fitzgerald who is currently prosecuting Obama’s friend Rod Blagojevich, or a local District Attorney in any jurisdiction where Obama signed a statement verifying that he is a natural born citizen in order to get on the ballot like this one that he signed to get on the Arizona ballot:
http://moniquemonicat.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/arizona-election-nomination-papers-barack-obama-signed-statement-he-is-a-natural-born-citizen2.pdf
(3) Have that prosecutor convene a Grand Jury investigation looking into election fraud concerning Obama’s eligibility.
(4)Have that prosecutor find a judge to issue subpoenas for Obama’s birth records and for testimony taken under oath from Hawaii Department of Health officials. Prosecuting attorneys always know which judges are the most likely to grant a subpoena request in a particular situation.
(5)Hawaii law permits a confidential birth record to be released if it is subpoenaed by a “court of competent jurisdiction.”
If obama was born in Hawaii a ORIGINAL paper birth certificate would still be avaiable(to copy) and release to prove his birth in Hawaii. It would take a court order of course, but then obama is making sure that never happens. obama’s “birth record” was not valid for proof of birth in 2008, why would it be proof of birth now? You still have not answer the question ,why would obama continue to concel his CERTIFIED birth records from tha American public,unless he something to hide ?
If obama was born in Hawaii a ORIGINAL paper birth certificate would still be avaiable(to copy) and release to prove his birth in Hawaii. It would take a court order of course, but then obama is making sure that never happens. obama’s “birth record” was not valid for proof of birth in 2008, why would it be proof of birth now? You still have not answer the question ,why would obama continue to concel his CERTIFIED birth records from tha American public,unless he something to hide ?
If obama was born in Hawaii a ORIGINAL paper birth certificate would still be avaiable(to copy) and release to prove his birth in Hawaii. It would take a court order of course, but then obama is making sure that never happens. obamas birth record was not valid for proof of birth in 2008, why would it be proof of birth now? You still have not answer the question ,why would obama continue to concel his CERTIFIED birth records from tha American public,unless he something to hide ?
As for “concealing” his original birth certificate, would you trust a birth document released on Obama’s authority? After the state of Hawaii has gone to such lengths to verify his birth there, would you trust any document released by the state health department at this late date?
There is no additional information on a Hawaii long form that any court would ever find relevant to the Article 2 Section 1 requirements for a natural born citizen. The only information that is on a birth certificate that the Constitution requires is place of birth and date of birth and that information is on a certified short form as well as a certified long form.
The third and final constitutional requirement is 14 years residency in the US. That information is not on a long form or a short form birth document.
The Constitution does not ask for what hospital a person was born in or who their birth doctor was or how much the baby weighed at birth.
As long as the state of Hawaii is willing to verify that the short form has been the official birth certificate of the state since 2001, those who want a long form are left with the option of not voting for Obama in 2012.
Finally, it is MUCH easier to fake a paper copy, long form document from 1961 than it is to alter or fake a modern computerized print out that federal regulations require to be printed on “Safety Paper” which is not alterable. It is like counterfeiting old money as opposed to new money.
But if the release of a long form birth certificate would put your mind at ease, that document can be subpoenaed without Obama’s permission under Hawaii statutes. All that is needed is a judge who will issue a subpoena for it and a prosecuting attorney who is willing to go after that document for a Grand Jury investigation.
Nice graphic.
Here is some more information and links
Hmm…An AP story from 2004 entitled Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate has been discovered on archive.org by many sites (and twitter where I got this). Does this mean now that the AP is nothing but a bunch of birthers?
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations. ...
See the whole Obama 1964 divorce on Scribd.com or as 13 individual images below (in proper order):
I immediately called the clerk in Hawaii and asked where the extra page was. She looked, and counted, and said that there must be some mistake in the records she counted only 13 pages that are available for reprint. I pointed out to her that the page count she sent skipped from page 10 to page 12 page 11 was missing. To that, she suggested that perhaps the pages were simply misnumbered before they where archived into the microfiche.
I accepted her answer, not thinking much about it at the time. Perhaps it was just a clerical error in the 1960s, when hand-filed paper records and IBM punch cards were how court documents were tracked and maintained.
I have since come to learn that Obama and his team of lawyers have been working to sanitize his records since he announced that he’d run for President circa November 2004. Now in the White House, hes still ACTIVELY blocking subpoenas for such documents as his Cambridge and Occidental College records TODAY the same type of documents promised to be made available during his campaign. Obama and his lawyers are exceedingly adept at exploiting loopholes in Hawaiian birth certificate law to keep Obamas past hidden from the American people.
This missing page page 11 very likely is a copy of the original birth certificate, based upon the prima facie timeline of the 1964 divorce. The Kenya birth certificate was likely requested on Jan 23, 1964 by either Judge King (to award custody on the next trial date), or recommended to Ann Dunham by her attorney for the ex parte divorce, where only one parent was expected to be present.
The missing page, 11, should be chronologically-numbered as all other pages were in the original docket file, by the court clerk at the time. Starting at page 8, Exhibit A is placed where it would have occurred by date in the paperwork (and appeared on microfiche), even denoting an erased, yet barely-readable “8″ on both pages of the returned notification sent to Obama SR. The missing page, numbered as page 11, would likely be a page that would have been admitted to the divorce file sometime in mid- to late-February 1964 almost as if it were an undocumented Exhibit B.
Heres a very plausible timeline merging the 1964 Obama Divorce papers and new Kenya birth certificate:
Jan 20 (Mon) divorce request is filed by Stanley Ann D. Obama
Jan 23 (Thur) divorce orders for trial are given by Judge King at chambers
In Hawaii, birth certificates are not Public Record. If the Kenya birth certificate was a part of the divorce decree, it may have been pulled out at the end of the trial, or more recently by a watchful archivist or attorneys wishing to remove unfavorable information about Obama.
To date, despite other honest attempts to refute the Kenya birth certificate, such as dealing with when the Republic of Kenya came into existence as a republic have been un-bunked. Dishonest alterations of the Kenya birth certificate have been maliciously created by sites such as Democratic Underground, designed to discredit the Kenya birth certificate theyve been un-bunked as well.
Having not actually seeing the Kenya birth certificate, and its chain of evidence, no intellectually-honest person can say if its real or not. By the same token, none of us have seen or touched the short-form Certification of Live Birth that has appeared on Obamas Fight the Smears or FactCheck.org websites.
No one can confirm the chain of evidence of Obamas Certification of Live Birth that has appeared online, which is the abbreviated-version of Obamas true, 1961, original long-form(s) Certificate of Live Birth and associated vital statistics records. Even the Hawaii Department of Health directly refuses to verify Obamas online COLBs.
The Eighth Witness, Lucas Daniel Smith,
Case CLOSED!!!
1) Yeah, a real nice fellow you are parading, prosecuting the wrong person, Scooter Libby instead of Gen. Powell's friend Armitage!
2) Jan Brewer a (R) was the SOS and she did not put down her foot either when your good friend, the usurper, presented a falsified candidate paper, like Nancy Pelosi sent to the rest of SOSs nation-wide!!
3) Good luck with (Ds) in all three branches!!!
4)A Kentucky professor says there is NO B.C.!!!!
5)butterdezillion and Miss Tickley has explained this in details to you over and over again, yet you chose NOT to get it!!!!!
6) All of this still boils down to the RACE CARD, and nobody dare to touch that, just ask Bill and Hillary. May God just bless you and help you with simple understanding!!!!!!
I have a better shot at winning the lottery than the Pres has at getting impeached or kicked out under Article 2. The thing is that I don’t like that republicans are the impeachment party after Clinton and now Obama. We use to be the rule of law party. The hate lawyers who obfuscate party. The sit down and let the dems make a mess we can clean up party. Not anymore. Not for 20 years Believe me, we cons are just not as good at working the system as libs are, and it will come back to bite us on the ass. Almost did with McCain and Panama.
Was Scooter Libby convicted by a jury of his peers? Yes, I believe he was. Is it highly likely that Fitzgerald will win convictions of Rod Blagojevich, yes, I believe he will.
By the way, Richard Armitage was a foreign policy advisor to President Reagan. In the Reagan Administration, Armitage was the winner of the Secretary of Defense Medal for Distinguished Public Service.
Obama’s Arizona’ Candidate’s Nomination Paper could STILL be investigated for election fraud however the current Arizona Attorney General is a Democrat. There are lots of prosecuting attorneys without D’s after their names in states where Obama was on the ballot
That same Kentucky professor (Tim Adams) says that birthers are racists and that Obama is eligible to be president because of his possession of a Hawaii COLB. Hear him for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcZBpWl1wo4
Pardon me for not accepting information of people named “Butterdezillion” and “Miss Tickly” as being authoritative. I prefer to look at the actual outcomes of judicial proceedings on this issue, particularly the legal briefs submitted by plaintiffs trying to remove Obama and defense attorneys on Obama’s side of the issues.
If all conservatives are intimidated by the race card, they deserve to lose another 70 Court battles with Obama. “NO GUTS, NO GLORY!!!” It won’t be Obama who makes the decision on releasing his original birth certificate or not, it will be judges and justices.
And I believe soon or later something rotten there will leak back to Barry/Rezko connection that they don't like either. Blago is very conniving!!!
And I believe soon or later something rotten there will leak back to Barry/Rezko connection that they don’t like either. Blago is very conniving!!!
No sitting president can be arrested for anything at all.
He must be impeached by the house, convicted by the Senate, and sentenced to be removed from office.
THEN he can be arrested.
Still trolling here, Obot? You never change. Never a good word for our side.
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