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1 posted on 07/06/2010 8:12:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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REASONS GIVEN BY RAY MADOFF ( THE AUTHOR OF THIS PIECE, wonder if he’s related to Bernie ), AS TO WHY THE DEATH TAX SHOULD NOT BE REPEALED :

* The most common reason given is that this money has already been subject to tax when it was earned by the decedent and to do so again would constitute “double taxation.”

But there is no general principle that says income or property gets taxed only once. To the contrary, property is often subject to multiple taxation when it is used for different purposes.

In any given day, we are all subject to a variety of state and federal taxes. For instance, your earnings are subject to both income and payroll taxes, and that money is taxed again when you pay sales tax on your purchases and property taxes on your home.

* It is not dollars that are subject to tax — it is taxpayers. When a person earns $50,000 and then pays his mechanic $2,000 to fix his car, the mechanic cannot avoid taxes by claiming that the money was already subject to tax when earned by his customer.

* Congress is giving up a valuable source of revenue. During the last 10 years, the estate tax has raised about $25 billion each year. Moreover, it has been estimated that if inherited income were subject to income taxes, this would have raised roughly $90 billion in 2009 alone.

Money raised from taxing inheritances could be put to good use: alleviating the tax burden for the less well off, funding programs that benefit the country as a whole or reducing the debt that we are passing on to our children.

* Failing to tax large inheritances promotes concentrations of wealth that harm our democracy.

The United States is a very affluent country, but the wealth is distributed in a highly unequal manner. A few Americans own an enormous amount, and a large number of Americans own hardly anything at all.

* Disparity in wealth is far greater than disparities in income. Whereas the top 1% of earners earn 20% of all income, the wealthiest 1% of Americans own more than 33% of the country’s wealth. In contrast, 80% of households combined own less than 16% of the nation’s wealth. Inheritance plays an important role in creating this wealth gap, and failing to tax inherited wealth exacerbates the problem.

* Studies consistently show that high concentrations of wealth correlate with poor economic performance of the country as a whole. Although no single cause has been determined, economists suggest that the reason is insufficient investment in education and other resources that benefit the country as a whole.

* Governmental policies in a democracy are supposed to be policies of the people being governed. But the wealthiest Americans — the group that tends to be able to either run for office successfully or fund the campaigns of others — have very different concerns than the general population.

Wealthy Americans have privatized education for their children, privatized security for their homes and privatized medical care through no-insurance concierge doctors. They are less likely to have the same level of interest in devoting taxpayer resources to good-quality public education, effective police and fire protection, and affordable medical care — let alone rights for workers and the unemployed

* The estate tax, combined with such programs as the GI Bill, federal mortgage assistance programs and loans to small businesses, promoted a strong middle class and reduced the wealth owned by the top 1% from its high of 56% in 1912 to less than 20% by 1976.

HAVE A GO AT IT MY FRIENDS. THE ABOVE ARE YOUR STANDARD LIBERAL ARGUMENTS...


2 posted on 07/06/2010 8:16:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Repeal of the estate tax Over-zealous spending by governments imposes significant costs on the taxpaying public ...

Sorry, but the L.A. Times needed a little correction there.
3 posted on 07/06/2010 8:16:39 AM PDT by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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There should NOT ever have been a DEATH TAX.

How many times must one be TAXED when they are ALIVE!

When they die, the money should be distributed to those indicated in the will and those receiving is as “income” should NOT be taxed on it.

4 posted on 07/06/2010 8:16:56 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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Welcome back from the copyright penalty box. Reposting my comment from the previous thread that I salvaged from the wreckage.

His heirs have hit the tax-free jackpot.

Yeah, your house wasn't looted while you were at the funeral! It's a jackpot.

One thing I would like to know: How much of the Kennedy family fortune has been turned over to the tax man for death taxes since Joe Kennedy died? His generation, just about all (and maybe all with Ted's death, I didn't check for sure) of the next generation and some from the following generation should have paid. How much was actually paid and how much was hidden in impenetrable trusts which the elected members of the family make sure the IRS doesn't look at too closely? Libs, don't come crying to me that there should be an estate tax unless you can look me in the eye and say that 3/4 (50% with Joe's generation and 50% of the remainder with John, Robert and Ted's generation) of the Kennedy family fortune has been paid in estate taxes.

(Side note: a few years ago a very, very liberal family member was trying to get everyone in the family to put our money in some family trust because she said that the rich like the Kennedies use them to keep from paying estate taxes. I asked her if anyone in the family had a direct line to the IRS and then did a pretty good imitation of Ted Kennedy saying "If any IRS agent audits me, he'll be doing his next audit in Fahgo!")

5 posted on 07/06/2010 8:17:20 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Gun control was originally to protect Klansmen from their victims. The basic reason hasn't changed.)
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A bit of the same old same old BS Marxist line. The money earned has already been subjected to federal and state income tax, capital gains tax, and a whole raft of other taxes. If Mr. Smith or Mrs. Jones wants to leave it to his/her kids, that’s up to them - but additional taxes?

How much is enough?

To the socialists who run most things these days, we should all pay taxes on the air we breathe, and would certainly be doing so if only the Marxists could figure out how to bill everyone.

Maybe the thing to do is get politicans to limit their extravagance in greasing their constituents’ palms.

No, that would set a limit on corruption, and we can’t have that!


6 posted on 07/06/2010 8:20:03 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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Spending needs to be reduced and the “progressive” income tax needs to be replaced with a tax on wealth. That will allow upward movement by increasing income (which is currently punished), as well as remove the need for the estate tax.


8 posted on 07/06/2010 8:21:29 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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I’ve made a serious decision regarding my “estate”.I’m gonna spend it...give it away (”legally” or “illegally”)...burn it...rather than see any government hack get his/her/its grubby fingers on a nickel of it.If I get any advance warning of my passing I’ll do one or more of those things.


9 posted on 07/06/2010 8:21:41 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (''I don't regret setting bombs,I feel we didn't do enough.'' ->Bill Ayers,Hussein's mentor,9/11/01)
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“Inherited wealth” has already been taxed multiple times already! idiots stuck on stupid LA Times....=.=


11 posted on 07/06/2010 8:33:10 AM PDT by cranked
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Good grief! This guy's article reads like a Communist Manifesto...everyone should have the same wealth and income. Really? If that's the case, then why has every communal experiment in the world, from New Harmony, IN and Owenism to Communist Russia, failed?
12 posted on 07/06/2010 8:34:32 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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Already Taxed as Income.

Taxed again as Capital Gains.

Tax it again upon Death!


17 posted on 07/06/2010 8:48:30 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bama calls us "Tea Baggers", so we can call Kagan a "Carpet Muncher," right?)
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end taxation without respiration, the person that bequeathed the money already paid taxes on it, when they earned when they saved it when they invested and when they spent it, for the love of god do they have to tax it again when you die?


19 posted on 07/06/2010 8:55:04 AM PDT by edzo4 (You call us the 'Party Of No', I call us the resistance.)
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Let everyone espousing higher taxes and income redistribution, whether they be newsman, pundit or politician, have all their income in excess of $30k per household member be confiscated and half turned over to the Salvation Army, Food Bank, etc., the other half go to paying down the national debt.

Also, all of their vehicles in excess of one per full time working adult shall be confiscated.

While we are at it, all Save the Earth/Carbon Footprint types shall have their electricity cut off, motorized vehicles confiscated, heating/cooling of offices & homes turned off, etc.

Walk the talk! Put your money where your mouths & printing presses have been.

Finally, all the overpopulation complainers, next Tuesday we will stop the world so you can get off. (Actually, I don’t mean that. Some airhead eco-freaks will probably re-start the Buddhist monks solution to the Vietnam war.)


22 posted on 07/06/2010 9:21:24 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "Hapana Obama")
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“You say you want a revolution... well you know”.

LLS


23 posted on 07/06/2010 9:31:26 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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People who write newspaper articles saying taxes are good should have their incomes double taxed.


30 posted on 07/06/2010 11:38:14 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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Covetousness.

Liberals are envious, greedy whiners.


31 posted on 07/06/2010 11:44:37 AM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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The government shouldn’t be benefiting by the death of a citizen...They didn’t make the money and it was taxed to death during the life of the citizen...


34 posted on 07/06/2010 2:51:33 PM PDT by goat granny
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