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So Al Gore's Enquirer Reported Assault isn't Credible?
Portland Police Bureau - Case #07-9568 ^ | VI / XXV / MMX | pansgold

Posted on 06/25/2010 7:48:12 PM PDT by pansgold

Sounds very credible considering he soon to be single again.

(Excerpt) Read more at radaronline.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: algore; assault; charge; sexual
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To: catfish1957
"and Knet Knusson knocked appeared at the door."

(nothing like ****ing up a good joke)

61 posted on 06/25/2010 10:09:40 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: catfish1957

And his name was KNETT, not KNET. I swear. True story.

; )


62 posted on 06/25/2010 10:13:36 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2

I dunno. First, I’d have to see the DNA match up. It’s be stupid for her to make the claim if it didn’t, but she could be like the guys who threw a gorilla suit in a freezer and said they had Bigfoot. Until then, I’ve contemplated Al getting a massage as much as I care to.


63 posted on 06/25/2010 10:14:05 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: UCANSEE2
My page numbers below are not the page numbers printed on the .pdf but the ones which show up on my Adobe viewer...

She says on page 9 of the complaint that she has had NBA players, actors, rock stars, and other VIPs as clients. She says on the same page "Very rarely, almost never, do clients make sexual innuendo to me and I set a professional atmosphere from the beginning of walking into a room for a session."

She then goes on to explain in detail about the event -- for the beginning of when things went wrong, see pp.15 - 16 of the transcript.

"...I got so freaked, I just got, I got a tiny bit mad under my terror. I decided to clarify things by asking him as he angrily complained that I was not doing what he wanted, for him to show me exactly what he wanted me to do, such as where to massage. I said well, why don't you show me. 'Cause I thought this is too not. He grabbed my right hand hard, shoved it down under the sheet to his pubic hair area, my fingers brushing against his penis and firmly planted my hand on his pubic crest region and said to me, 'There!' in a very sharp, loud, angry-sounding tone. This was all happening really fast as you can imagine. Further yet into shock from both his demand and his angry, intimidating behavior, I subtly and slowly slid my hand up away from the area and told him it would be counter productive massage technique as he had said that he'd wanted to unwind from stress and relax and that it would get him too away I said euphemistically and diplomatically. I felt like I was dancing on the edge of a razor. He angrily raged in accusatory and threatening confrontational he bellowed at me. Just scared the shit out of me. I mean I had no idea and I, I've never had a client yell at me except for one who is brain injured and she was drunk and I've worked with her all the time. She's just a mess but she's like five feet tall (laughs) and she'll cry."

"Okay so, he screamed at me. He goes, I'm not asking imagine yelling, I'm not asking for you to do anything inappropriate. To which I replied in a softer, terrified, calming tone, No impropriety was inferred, Sir. At this point I was realizing just how crazy and insidious he was and how precarious my situation was when he said the aforementioned even though he clearly wanted inappropriate touch. It's like to make your mind go nuts. He was moaning, groaning, moving and acting in a very suggestive way. It was unreal. I never even had any of my hotel clients get angry, yell, or act out at me before. During the massage episode, I realized much to my horror that I was in the perfect storm and that I was in a room with someone who was Teflon coated in terms of his credibility and celebrity status and my usual safety net idea in all hotel massages before this, of being able to escape from such a potential situation of perverted or threatening behavior from a client which would be terminate the massage and leave the room immediately for help from the front hotel desk, even running and / or shouting for help in the hallway if deemed necessary was completely worthless in this situation. It was no longer viable because I feared that if I ran for the door to get out, I could or would b violently accosted by some security detail for seeming to be hostile, inappropriate, insubordinate or threatening to him and I feared being Tased or shot by them as a first and immediate response. I also feared that if I made dissent with Gore, I could be in danger of being falsely arrested for false allegations of alleged soliciting or even attempted assault in his efforts to do damage control, and I felt certain that any, even the smallest complaint from him to the hotel, could also destroy my work reputation in all the hotels and hence, do irreparable damage to my livelihood. Not to mention damage my personal reputation which I had spent years building with my livelihood. I felt very uncertain if I'd be able to get our of the room without being accosted by him anyway at this point."

On page 16 she writes

"He then tried another tactic as though he had very suddenly switched personalities and began in a pleading tone, pleading for release of his second chakra there. There's so much tension being held. This was yet another euphemism for sexual activity he was requesting put cleverly as though it were a spiritual request or something."

On page 16, as she wraps up the massage,she goes to wash her hands and arms "to give him privacy to get up off the table and re-robe so that I could pack up my items and leave. This is the thing also like I can get out, you save face so you're not going to get violent with me, you know?"

But on p. 17 when she comes out of the bathroom, and she is trying to pack up the massage table, he comes to her from behind and then embraces her, caressing her back and buttocks and breasts:

"I squirmed to try and get out of his grasp, telling him to stop, don't, several times and I finally told him and said, You're being a crazed sex poodle, hoping he'd realize how weird he was being yet he persisted. He was much stronger than me, bigger than me and insistent. It was completely unnerving. And I realized that resistance was making him giggle and pursue more strongly. And I knew that that this resistance was a dangerous tactic to use if I wanted to avoid being raped."

She distracts him with chocolates, but as she goes to gather the rest of her things he traps her in the corner and begins fondling her (according to here account on pp. 17-18). And then poured some Grand Marnier from the mini-bar and over her protestations, made her drink some of it, then forced a French kiss on her. As she wrote:

"Um, I was distressed, shocked and terrified. He laughed, clearly enjoying myself at the expense of my discomfort, refusal, and fear."

It gets worse.

But you can read it -- there are far too many details, far too many descriptions of confusion and conflicting emotions, for it to be a made-up story. (At one point, she says that he told her there were condoms in the "treat box" in the hotel room, and that to forestall his advances, she pretended to identify the condom as a sewing kit -- to distract him without getting him angry.)

Money quote -- page 22 of my viewer:

"It seemed to me that the way he came across to me was like a scary, without a conscience, spoiled out of control fraternity boy at a kegger type of person with a perverse sense of entitlement, a rich kid who is used to getting what he wants and whatever including from hookers, from women fawning over him, and that he used money or power bailing him out of trouble. He had no fear of doing wrong or getting in trouble. He had nothing it seemed to fear or hold him at bay. He simply would not take no for an answer on anything and I verbally told him no way more than once. My body language said no as well. I even said to him at one point, Al, no means no. To which he just laughed and groped me some more."

NO cheers, unfortunately.

64 posted on 06/25/2010 10:14:37 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Richard Kimball

We need some kind of BrainWash that can clean these images out so we don’t dream about them after going to sleep.

Think I’ll watch the OIL LEAK out of a pipe in the Gulf of Mexico. Maybe that will help. Put on some good background music... ya know.


65 posted on 06/25/2010 10:17:22 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: grey_whiskers

Here is what I would like to know.

Why didn’t Al get two 25 year olds, instead of one 50 year old ?


66 posted on 06/25/2010 10:19:30 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: grey_whiskers
there are far too many details, far too many descriptions of confusion and conflicting emotions, for it to be a made-up story.

Color me skeptical. She did this interview from a written document three years after the event. Possible? Yes. Would I bet my paycheck on this account being true? No.

67 posted on 06/25/2010 10:20:27 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: UCANSEE2

He’s not wired for 220. Or 225.


68 posted on 06/25/2010 10:21:21 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: grey_whiskers

BTW, if there are legs to this story, accounts from others about similar experiences will start popping up. Stuff like this fits a pattern of behavior, not a one time occurrence.


69 posted on 06/25/2010 10:23:55 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: UCANSEE2
I ask this because it is not obvious to me how this could happen if she wasn't playing along, or felt as if saying no to this powerful a politician was a good way to get suicided.

She was scared shitless, if you read the police report. Her hotel depends on the goodwill of the VIPs, there is a lot of competition even for masseuse jobs in Portland, and this man is a Nobel Prize winner. No problem at all to squish her career and reputation like a bug.

Unless you forget (say) Juanita Brodderick, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp; or the lessons during the Clarence Thomas Supreme Court hearings about "the inequities of power".

Your ignorance is no excuse when you have been provided with the firsthand -- not just eyewitness, but participant -- data.

It refutes all of your "Talking Points Memo" lies, smears, and claims.

If she wasn't physically 'strong' enough to ward off fat Albert, then she wasn't physically 'strong' enough to give a real massage anyway.

He was on top of her (no penetration) and she injured herself trying to shift his weight -- which according to her, aroused him even more : he giggled when she struggled.

He ain't exactly slender, and he's over six feet tall.

Oh, and she called a friend the same night.

And was so flustered, she screwed up her time card.

And she relates how when she called the Portland Women's Crisis Line,

"They urged me to report the incident to the police but they did not know the name of the perpetrator yet as I did not want to deal with the shock and awe response from them or anyone yet. At last I finally told the name to the phone counselor from PWCL. She went totally silent for a minute as though she might be thinking I was pulling a prank. And I felt very embarrassed until she stuttered out that she had voted for him herself and was clearly upset hearing this information. This is what's really been hard with this. Um, because I, I, you know, I live in 'The Birkenstock Tribe' and it's like being the ultimate traitor. And by the by, there are people um, one who is so black and white Left wing, she ceased talking to me. Another one who was basically asking me to just suck it up, otherwise the world's going to be destroyed from global warming. And I was like, these are women. I'm like, where is the feminist in you? What the hell? This is not okay. If you can't trust this guy with this, how can you trust him with anything else?"

Nice try, you ignorant troll.

70 posted on 06/25/2010 10:30:19 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

I am absorbing the info you posted. Thank you for doing so.

As I said before, this may all be true. But let me show you what a quick scan can do to ‘good sounding’ details.

He was trying to force himself on her, and she was resisting fighting off a possible rape.

So.... she offered him some chocolates.

Gee... does that work? I mean, maybe if the raper were a woman, chocolate would distract her, but.... a guy?


71 posted on 06/25/2010 10:30:59 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2
See Richard Kimball's post #69 -- or try reading the pdf link.
72 posted on 06/25/2010 10:31:46 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: UCANSEE2
He's corpulent.

And if you read the whole thing, the more she resisted, the more turned on he got.

She had to sidle away without direct "NOs" or risk violence.

There was an account (ages ago, when he was VP) about a meeting in the Oval Office or somesuch, with the national director of some conservative faith-based group.

When they shook hands, Al Gore did the "bone grinding" handshake, knowing that the other guy couldn't do anything back, and couldn't even grimace in pain, or he would look stupid in front of the camera.

Consistent with the air of entitlement, and petty, childish cruelty.

I hope Tipper castrates him in the divorce -- or a series of jilted lovers and assaultees surfaces as they did during the Tiger Woods scandal.

And even Tiger was at least good in bed: his women actually asked for more.

73 posted on 06/25/2010 10:37:40 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

OK........ I read more of the Deposition.

Sounds like Al was concerned that there were ‘ears’ in the room, but no eyes.


74 posted on 06/25/2010 10:38:35 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Richard Kimball
He’s not wired for 220. Or 225.

They're not even sure if he's AC or DC.

75 posted on 06/25/2010 10:41:06 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Richard Kimball

See??? That’s what I’m wondering.

How many real hookers did get sent to Al’s hotel rooms, over the years?

Did they have to pop out of a giant world-globe naked?


76 posted on 06/25/2010 10:43:20 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: pansgold

Can you imagine the screaming front page headlines of the New York Times et al, and the wide-eyed network news lead-ins if this was a Republican scandal involving a former GOP office holder? It would totally dominate the Democrat “mainstream” news.


77 posted on 06/25/2010 10:43:30 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Richard Kimball

THE ORIGINAL REPORT WAS ON 10/24/2006 @ 2 PM
Page 4 of the Case Report.


78 posted on 06/25/2010 10:44:12 PM PDT by pansgold
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To: grey_whiskers
Nice try, you ignorant troll.

Thank you Jane, you ignorant slut.

: )

In the sentence you quoted, I said 'playing along', OR 'felt in danger'.

The Deposition, and the info you have posted from it, along with your conclusion in the first two paragraphs completely agree with my 'in danger' option.

Yes, I played the Devil's Advocate, but I was trying to see this incident, and why it is in the news now, from all sides. Don't assume there is just one answer, unless you were there and know for sure.

The REAL POINT is that even though you portray me the fool, I would say that the INFORMATION and OPINIONS on this thread, mostly generated as a result of my 'questions' or 'ignorance', provide data that enables all readers to come to a much better conclusion.

Don't you agree?

79 posted on 06/25/2010 10:57:46 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2
No, because you continued posting the questions even *after* the .pdf was on the thread for anyone to click on and read.

Cheers!

80 posted on 06/25/2010 11:00:51 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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