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Spec Ops Command Cancels New Rifle
Military.com ^ | 6/25/2010 | Christian Lowe

Posted on 06/25/2010 4:39:42 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld

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To: Recon Dad

That is the Sage stock I was talking about. It is milled out of a block of aluminum and the weapon is pretty heavy. The SCAR is much lighter. Both stocks collapse or fold for getting in and out of vehicles, but the SCAR has an easier cheek piece to use.


21 posted on 06/25/2010 7:20:16 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Barack Hussein Obama Mmm, Mmm, Mnn

Doing the job Al Queda couldn’t finish since January 21st,2009


22 posted on 06/25/2010 7:32:31 PM PDT by cquiggy
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To: colderwater

The thing was cooked by DoD. Bushmaster got first crack at it, but they couldn’t get a prototype operational in time. FN got the SCAR working and met the trial standards. I’m still waiting to see a Bushmaster ACR with a folding stock.

Any day now...

I’d also like to see a 7.62 SCAR.

People who’ve shot the 5.56mm SCAR (semi-auto) say that the recoil is non-existant. To which I have to say, so what? The recoil of an M-4 is almost non-existant, and the SCAR is nearly triple the cost of the M-4. Plus, it’s a new weapon which requires a new parts inventory and new armorer training.

It bothers me that they couldn’t just take an AR-10 and replace the gas system with a piston if they wanhted a 7.62 rifle. I think you can also get the 7.62 bolt from the AR-10 to fit in the 5.56 upper, which means that the 5.56mm bolt carrier would accept it and therefore the M-4/M-16 buffer tubes, castle nuts, and stocks could also be used. The lower receiver could be redesigned to allow the 5.56 fire control parts to work, although the mag catch would have to be different. This would conserve a lot of parts inventory.

So would the adoption of the 6.8 cartridge, but I’d rather see the lead guys get a 7.62 rifle. A Springfield SOCCOM would also be nice, and the designs for both rifles are available and thoroughly studied.


23 posted on 06/25/2010 8:08:23 PM PDT by sig226 (Mourn this day, the death of a great republic. March 21, 2010)
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To: USNBandit
"will stop purchasing the 5.56 mm Mk-16 Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle"

That means they have canceled the SCAR-L (.223). Maybe this is a smart move to force procurement in favor of the SCAR-H (7.62), which carries much better "punch" for Afghan combat distances...

the last thing we need is more 5.56/.223s...

24 posted on 06/25/2010 8:25:16 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: sig226

I have an M1A1, I need to build up the stock cheek piece to be able to sight through the scope. I’ve been looking at plastic stocks to re-bed the rifle, but they cost almost as much as a new rifle. Any ideas?
I also have a FN FAL in 308 sans optics.. Do we have a gun ping list here?


25 posted on 06/25/2010 8:34:45 PM PDT by STD (Oil-Bambi's Revenge and econ 101 by the Father of Facist Capitalism)
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To: sig226

Well I personally think the 6.8 looks pretty decent. Barrett has the REC7 that I would love to have :)


26 posted on 06/25/2010 8:49:26 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: STD
You can get a receiver cover with a Picatinny rail for the FAL. DS Arms sells it under "SA58/FAL Products" on their website. I think it will fit an FN FAL, but you should call them before you order one.

If you don't like the add on cheekpieces for the M1-A, there are several stocks that give it a high comb or an adjustable cheekpiece. m1arifles.com has the cheekpieces in cloth and leather, and a wood stock with a high comb. McMillan has all kinds of tactical stocks with adjustable cheekpieces for the M1A. Springfield used to sell one with a McMillan, but I don't remember which rifle came with the stock. Brother, are you going to pay! :)

27 posted on 06/25/2010 9:13:37 PM PDT by sig226 (Mourn this day, the death of a great republic. March 21, 2010)
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To: sonofstrangelove

That’s probably the first itme I’ve ever seen “limited funds” and “SOCOM” in the same sentence.


28 posted on 06/25/2010 9:19:48 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: USNBandit

According to my son it makes a decent medium distance sniper rifle. I doubt the pictured group has seen a SCAR yet so they won’t miss it.

I’m and HK fan.


29 posted on 06/26/2010 6:00:21 AM PDT by Recon Dad ( Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
30 posted on 06/26/2010 6:31:54 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Joe Brower; Squantos; archy; Jack Black

I sure don’t feel “undergunned” with my 5.56mm M-4gery.

And I don’t think troops with the M-16A5 “Designated Marksman Rifle” feel too outgunned in Afghanistan, when they are making 800m first-shot kills using the Trijicon sight.

So from close and nasty M-4s with red dots, to M-16A5s, I think our rifles will do the job.

Of course, this assumes you have troops of a high enough level to actually clean them now and then. An M-4 is not an AK-47, it does need the bolt pulled once in a while.

Would a 6.8 be better? Sure, but it’s not in the cards, just as it wasn’t when they decided to build the M1 Garand in 30-06 to use existing ammunition stockpiles, instead of the 6.5 as spec-ed by the designer.

ALso, plenty of rebuilt M-14s are getting into theater.


31 posted on 06/26/2010 7:07:30 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: TXnMA

In the last five-ten years, what caliber do you suppose is winning the thousand yard matches?


32 posted on 06/26/2010 7:09:05 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: sonofstrangelove

SCAR L
33 posted on 06/26/2010 7:12:49 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Travis McGee
.308

If it were .223, they would have to mark the paper targets with a pencil at that range... ;-)

Probably because I've had range time with it, I prefer the 6.5 Grendel at that range in an assault carbine...

34 posted on 06/26/2010 8:13:23 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Travis McGee; hiredhand

Nahhhhhhh ya don’t need to clean em .......:o)

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/06/09/a-clean-wouldnt-hurt/

Hiredhand shared this with me this AM......LOL !


35 posted on 06/26/2010 8:29:47 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos
Clean?...clean?.... I've heard that term before! :-) Hey... speaking of "clean"... I'm dealing with the seasonal effects of carrying concealed and RUST. I sweated through a shoulder holster last week and it did BAD things to my 1911 (very minor rust). It all cleaned off of course and it's back to "normal"...as far as normal goes. Do you have any advice on this?...other than regular inspection and cleaning? I really hate rust. Thanks buddy. :-)
36 posted on 06/26/2010 9:12:23 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: hiredhand

http://www.eabco.com/cgi-bin/shopper.exe?preadd=action&key=136-RPK

Rusteprufe !!!

Good panther piss formula for hot and wet.......you will lose this application before ya can use it all.

Wipe it down at end and beginning of day if yer really getting some bad surface rust.


37 posted on 06/26/2010 9:23:16 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: hiredhand

Or...........a kydex holster for yer shoulder rig. I know but ya have to decide......:o)


38 posted on 06/26/2010 9:28:21 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Probably budget cuts. Lot of that going around the military for FY11.


39 posted on 06/26/2010 10:39:19 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Probably budget cuts. Lot of that going around the military for FY11.


40 posted on 06/26/2010 10:39:29 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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