Google "Disappears" Moveon Hate-Petraeus Page cache (GONE This Morning!)

Google ^ | June 24, 2010 | Google's harried web programmers

[an amused spectator]

Freeper GreenAccord gave me the heads-up this morning that the Google web cache of the Moveon Hate-Petraeus page has itself gone missing.

One could say that it's just Google's busy little web cache automated spiders doing their job all unattended like and that they finally got around to scraping the Moveon website caches and updating their information.

EXCEPT for the fact that a Google web cache of ANOTHER Moveon page that was taken at nearly the same time as the Moveon Hate Petraeus page is STILL THERE, and hasn't been updated.

So, there were phone calls, email messages, etc. and some web programmers had to put in some extra hours taking care of the Toxic Little Moveon Petraeus Web Page Embarrassment.

Hopefully, the web programmers were hourly guys and not salary, so I can claim that I did my bit to generate some more work for the economy.

[an amused spectator]

Thanks for the heads-up! Apparently, the Bing and Yahoo! search engines are not considered to be a threat by the InterWebs maObamists, so have been left alone until normal cache scraping.

[dpwiener]

"After these changes are made and Google has crawled the site again, the content should naturally drop out of the Google index."

I've already shown that Google DID NOT crawl the site again.

You apparently didn't read the next paragraph from the link I posted. There are basically two ways for the contents to disappear from Google's cache: (1) Natural disappearance the next time Google's spider crawls the site, or (2) Expedited removal by the web site owner using Google's removal tool.

It's hardly surprising that Moveon.org would pro-actively use Google's removal tool (which is available to anyone who wants their own web page un-cached) to delete the Betray Us page from Google's cache. The fact that Moveon.org didn't do so sooner, and hence the ad remained in the cache for a while, is just evidence of Moveon.org's lack of Internet competence and/or efficiency. But it is not evidence that Google did anything unusual to assist Moveon.org in emptying the cache.

[an amused spectator]

You apparently didn't read the next paragraph from the link I posted.

Why, yes, I did, and my cursory analysis led me to believe there was more going on with the "magical" URL removal tool than meets the eye. So, since you were being insistent, I investigated that, and my suspicions were confirmed.

Have you yourself used the infamous "URL removal tool"? Or have you more fully investigated the same, other than just seeing the description that Google put out there?

[an amused spectator]

There’s a specific phrase that I want you to post from one of Google’s own employees about how the URL removal tool works, and the post is pretty recent - with the last 8 months.

[dpwiener]

There’s a specific phrase that I want you to post from one of Google’s own employees about how the URL removal tool works, and the post is pretty recent - with the last 8 months.

I have no idea what you are talking about. What phrase and what employee? And why do you want me to post it? Why don't you post it yourself, since you are the one who knows what you mean?

[an amused spectator]

If you post it, you'll have to actually read and analyze it, instead of nay-saying what I posted.

In DP, most times you don't get the leisure to read up on "how the URL removal tool works".

You're down in the bowels of the building, working away on some user's latest request, when some irate Suit who outranks you times 10 shows up in your office, and proceeds to jump up and down on your desk.

They want what they want, they want it NOW, and you're their Data Pop Machine.

So, you don't get to do the leisurely dpweiner "I'll read up on it and take care of it by tomorrow" routine. You've got to call somebody, because then that means you're "doing something".

Capiche?

[dpwiener]

Capiche?

No. You are getting more and more obscure, and I really have no idea what you are rambling on about. You seem to be insisting that I do something or post something, but you won't tell me what and you think it's my responsibility to figure it out because I'm somebody's "Data Pop Machine"?

[an amused spectator]

You’re not a computer programmer, are you?

[dpwiener]

You’re not a computer programmer, are you?

Yes I am.

[an amused spectator]

If you are a computer programmer, you should understand what the phrase "Data Pop Machine" means.

I don't care how smart you think you are, or how much you get paid, The Suits are always "smarter" than you are, and you're their pop machine. They bang on your desk, and their pop (in the form of data, a report, a program or a program change) comes out.

Pretending it doesn't happen that way may make you feel good, but it doesn't fool me.

[an amused spectator]

You seem to be insisting that I do something or post something

Back at you. You seem to be insisting that I lay out a triviality for you. I did the analysis - you're a computer programmer, do it for yourself.

Or do you just prefer to snipe, and do the big Internet Negative: "No, it's not!"

I could do that too, but I'm not lazy.

[dpwiener]

I don't care how smart you think you are, or how much you get paid, The Suits are always "smarter" than you are, and you're their pop machine. They bang on your desk, and their pop (in the form of data, a report, a program or a program change) comes out.

Pretending it doesn't happen that way may make you feel good, but it doesn't fool me.

That certainly sounds like an unpleasant work environment. You have my sympathy.

[an amused spectator]

The fact that Moveon.org didn't do so sooner, and hence the ad remained in the cache for a while, is just evidence of Moveon.org's lack of Internet competence and/or efficiency.

YOU described Moveon's IT work environment. Then you commented on it:

"That certainly sounds like an unpleasant work environment. You The Moveon web geeks have my sympathy."

But it is not evidence that Google did anything unusual to assist Moveon.org in emptying the cache.

As I pointed out, when the web geeks get in trouble with the Suits, they grab the phone...

BTW - I'm happy for you that you can flip off the Suits. And unicorns s**t Skittles...

[Liberty Valance]

There ya go.

[an amused spectator]

LOL! Thanks for that, Liberty!

[Salvation]

But we have it on Fr, I’m sure!

I’m wondering if it could be linked on the Admin Moderator’s page.

The Old Bootcamp and Sandbox are there for new html users!

[an amused spectator]

Here, a Google data dweeb explains to a user in November of 2009 why it took THREE DAYS to get his sensitive information scrubbed from Google Cache:

There are a myriad of datacenters, all of which need to get synchronized. Removal has to be applied to each. Obviously this takes time to achieve.

There are those on this thread who are insinuating without actual knowledge that there is some "magical" Google URL removal tool which almost instantaneously deletes Google cache items, at the action of the user who desires the Google cache to be gone.

Actually, the "magical tool" merely marks the item as "urgent removal", and deposits it in a FIFO queue for the Google web geeks to deal with.

Once in the FIFO queue, the change is handled in a timely manner BY GOOGLE STAFF, but the change must be propagated across multiple Google data repositories. Typically, data server updates like these are handled during off hours, to reduce the impact on busy interactive usage on the InterWebs.

The previous critic seems to be under the mistaken impression that somehow the user who desired the Google cache to be deleted had access to the Google cache data, on the Google data server.

This is NOT true.

(In a previous life, I actually worked on queued data requests such as these, and accidentally released the live program to do its little update thingee during major business usage hours. My phone usually rang within a minute and a half, with my boss on the other end, wondering what I was up to just then...)