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To: Pete
Me: Weren't we using the same ROE under W? You: More or less, I think. That doesn't make it right. My point was that our only hope of changing it is after 2012. No guarantee though.

No, it does not make it right. But I think the problem goes much farther than who is president. I think the West in general has tied its own hands, and the muzzies are taking advantage of that fact. Too many in The west feel it is "better to lose a war than compromise our principles". They think taking the war to the muzzies, and waterboarding and torturing terrorists "makes us as bad as them".

Yes, things were somewhat better under W. We did waterboard KSM and get some useful intel. But we let Al Sadr slip away, and marines were tried for the "Haditha Massacre" and we still frisked old ladies and little girls at airports.

I think it is going to take something like the destruction of an entire city to wake up the West. I think the much-feared backlash against Islam is going to have to happen in order for them to get the ass-whipping they so richly deserve.

38 posted on 06/22/2010 7:57:19 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Sans-Culotte

I think the post-modern culture is void of the concept of justice. If we enforce our laws, we are morally bad. If we act in self-defense we are morally bad. It’s actually a mental pathology: unless we are the beaten wife always blaming herself for the abuse she receives, then we are just as bad as the abuser.

In this view (especially pushed on us by the UN types), every culture is equally valid - except ours. Ours is based on this old, out-dated concept of justice, that people are free to make their choices but they will get the consequences for their choices.

I think what we’ve got now is a perverted Christianity, a worldview that is so “nice” that it knows nothing of justice. There always have been and always will be two sides to God’s character: His justice and His mercy. If you ever eliminate one side of His character you become dangerously warped. Islam is a perverted view of God’s justice alone. Liberal “Christianity” is a perverted view of God’s mercy alone.

They are both at war with the proper view of God and of the way God knows that reality has to work:

The left-hand (governmental) kingdom concerns itself with civil justice - and by “justice” I don’t mean feeding the poor. I mean justice - an eye for an eye. Every person’s rights held in equal balance with everybody else’s. A day of reckoning for those who have trampled their victims.

And the right-hand (religious) kingdom concerned for the souls of people, which means using the Law to bring bold, confident sinners to repentance and using the Gospel to bring repentant sinners to faith and a knowledge of forgiveness.

I think the world powers are mixing up the left-hand and right-hand kingdoms and totally botching up both justice and mercy. I think we’re seeing the right-hand kingdom (religion) giving its place to the left-hand kingdom (government) - which is mushing everything together so they are punishing the innocent and rewarding the guilty. The one and only time God ever condoned that was the one-time sacrifice of His Son taking the capital sentence for all sinners, so God could satisfy the requirement of justice while still showing mercy to all of us who deserved punishment. It was God taking His OWN “money” (the riches of His grace) and lavishly pouring it out for those who didn’t deserve it. Those who - because they KNOW they don’t deserve it - have not an entitlement mentality but a profound thanks for that gift of love which changes their whole life.

The government now is trying to be God, but they don’t have any “money” of their own. All they can do is take from one person and give to somebody else. Steal from the innocent to pay the guilty. That’s not mercy, and it’s not justice. All it can be is somebody pretending to be God, unable to do what God does because they are not God.

It’s a dysfunctional view of reality that most people are under, being pressed on us by a culture that is anti-Christian. As more and more people lose the Christian worldview the world gets crazier and crazier. We will (if we haven’t already) reach a point of no return, where the depravity will reach its logical conclusion.


42 posted on 06/22/2010 8:56:35 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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