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English and Welsh are races apart DNA
BBC ^ | Sunday, 30 June, 2002,

Posted on 06/16/2010 12:25:16 AM PDT by restornu

Genetic tests show clear differences between the Welsh and English

It suggests that between 50% and 100% of the indigenous population of what was to become England was wiped out, with Offa's Dyke acting as a "genetic barrier" protecting those on the Welsh side.

had genes that were almost identical.

But there were clear differences between the genetic make-up of Welsh people studied.

The research team studied the Y-chromosome, which is passed almost unchanged from father to son, and looked for certain genetic markers.

Ethnic links: Many races share common bonds

The English and Frisians studied had almost identical genetic make-up but the English and Welsh were very different.

The researchers concluded the most likely explanation for this was a large-scale Anglo-Saxon invasion, which devastated the Celtic population of England, but did not reach Wales.

...said their findings suggested that a migration occurred within the last 2,500 years.

Genetic links

It reinforced the idea that the Welsh were the true indigenous Britons.

In April last year, research for a BBC programme on the Vikings revealed strong genetic links between the Welsh and Irish Celts ...the Basques of northern Spain and south France.

"It appears England is made up of an ethnic cleansing event from people coming across from the continent after the Romans left," he said.

Celtic Britons

Archaeologists after the Second World War rejected the traditionally held view that an Anglo-Saxon invasion pushed the indigenous Celtic Britons to the fringes of Britain.

Instead, they said the arrival of Anglo-Saxon culture could have come from trade or a small ruling elite.

It suggests that the Welsh border was more of a genetic barrier to the Anglo-Saxon Y chromosome gene flow than the North Sea.

Dr Thomas added: "Our findings completely overturn the modern view of the origins of the English."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: caledonia; dna; emptydna; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; mtdna; pictish; picts; unitedkingdom; wales; welsh
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To: Eternal_Bear

Didn’t the Welsh refer to themselves as “Cymry” or “Cymric” before then?


41 posted on 06/17/2010 12:14:11 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9

Yes, I think uou are right. BTW, North Wales was the last part of the Western Roman Empire to fall to Germanic invaders. By this I mean the Anglo-Saxon army of Edward I.


42 posted on 06/17/2010 4:35:46 AM PDT by Eternal_Bear (`)
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To: restornu

English and Welsh are races apart — something the Welsh people are well aware of.


43 posted on 06/17/2010 5:51:39 AM PDT by FourPeas (God Save America)
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To: SunkenCiv; restornu

But 'oo are the Britons?

44 posted on 06/17/2010 6:08:07 AM PDT by uglybiker (BACON!!)
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45 posted on 06/17/2010 7:38:25 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: SunkenCiv
PISTOL

The king's a bawcock, and a heart of gold, A lad of life, an imp of fame; Of parents good, of fist most valiant. I kiss his dirty shoe, and from heart-string I love the lovely bully. What is thy name?

KING HENRY V

Harry le Roy.

PISTOL

Le Roy! a Cornish name: art thou of Cornish crew?

KING HENRY V

No, I am a Welshman.

46 posted on 06/17/2010 12:35:14 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

;’)


47 posted on 06/17/2010 6:08:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: uglybiker

If I said I was emperor, just because some moistened bink lobbed a scimitar at me, they’d put me away!


48 posted on 06/17/2010 6:12:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: paterfamilias

Quod Est Demonstrandum.


49 posted on 06/17/2010 6:15:38 PM PDT by Palladin (Commodore Obama: "Damn the Constitution. Full speed ahead!")
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To: redhead
Woot! I’m as “British” as they come: English, Welsh, Scots, and Irish.

In baseball they call that "Hitting for the Cycle." Wonder if they have a similar term in cricket?

50 posted on 06/18/2010 8:38:27 AM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


51 posted on 07/21/2012 9:47:51 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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