What principle? The Brits recognized Irish independence. Is that not a principle? How then could they keep a major Irish population ON THE ISLE OF IRELAND from being part of that nation on their own island?
Because a majority of the people on that part of Ireland did not WANT to be part of that nation. Violently did not. You might equally say that the British recognised American independence but then kept a major part of the population ON THE CONTINENT OF AMERICA from being part of that nation (Canada). The principle is called "self-determination".
No. The Normans were merely first. The English (English and Scots really) came in the 16th and 17th centuries and brutalized the Irish.
But it was the Normans who got the "English" involved in Ireland in the first place. There would have been no Pale to maintain and defend in the 16th and 17th centuries if the Normans hadnt gotten us involved. Prior to that, it was the Irish who attacked mainland Britain. Irish raids on the west coast were a major nuisance for five centuries or more.
You wrote:
“Because a majority of the people on that part of Ireland did not WANT to be part of that nation. Violently did not.”
And yet soon they will. The majority is now changing - in fact some people believe it already has. So, will the UK give up Northern Ireland to Ireland when Northern Ireland is majority Irish?
“You might equally say that the British recognised American independence but then kept a major part of the population ON THE CONTINENT OF AMERICA from being part of that nation (Canada). The principle is called “self-determination”.”
Incorrect. The principle is called violent revolution. The Americans won it and the British lost it. We even chased the pro-British Tories out off their own property at times to make sure we won and didn’t have later problems. So, if the Irish use that principle - violent revolution - then it’s okay, right? Oh, wait...
“But it was the Normans who got the “English” involved in Ireland in the first place. There would have been no Pale to maintain and defend in the 16th and 17th centuries if the Normans hadnt gotten us involved.”
Us? There ain’t no “us” in this between you and me. And you were still wrong. The “pale” was not in the north.
“Prior to that, it was the Irish who attacked mainland Britain. Irish raids on the west coast were a major nuisance for five centuries or more.”
And teh Anglo-Saxons were raiders themselves.