You wrote:
“Because a majority of the people on that part of Ireland did not WANT to be part of that nation. Violently did not.”
And yet soon they will. The majority is now changing - in fact some people believe it already has. So, will the UK give up Northern Ireland to Ireland when Northern Ireland is majority Irish?
“You might equally say that the British recognised American independence but then kept a major part of the population ON THE CONTINENT OF AMERICA from being part of that nation (Canada). The principle is called “self-determination”.”
Incorrect. The principle is called violent revolution. The Americans won it and the British lost it. We even chased the pro-British Tories out off their own property at times to make sure we won and didn’t have later problems. So, if the Irish use that principle - violent revolution - then it’s okay, right? Oh, wait...
“But it was the Normans who got the “English” involved in Ireland in the first place. There would have been no Pale to maintain and defend in the 16th and 17th centuries if the Normans hadnt gotten us involved.”
Us? There ain’t no “us” in this between you and me. And you were still wrong. The “pale” was not in the north.
“Prior to that, it was the Irish who attacked mainland Britain. Irish raids on the west coast were a major nuisance for five centuries or more.”
And teh Anglo-Saxons were raiders themselves.
Incorrect. The principle is called violent revolution. The Americans won it and the British lost it.
Nicely deflected. The issue was about the continuing existence of Canada.
We even chased the pro-British Tories out off their own property at times to make sure we won and didn’t have later problems.,p> Yeah, I know. So much for "freedom" and "liberty". Yes you can have it, as long as you agree with us. Otherwise we tar and feather you, deny you your right to vote, and subject you to punitive taxation. And it did cause you future problems when you attempted to conquer Canada in 1812. Curiously the locals didn't care to share your "freedom".
So, if the Irish use that principle - violent revolution - then it’s okay, right? Oh, wait...
But they DID use that principle, didnt they?
Us? There ain’t no “us” in this between you and me. And you were still wrong. The “pale” was not in the north.,p> Again, wonderfully deflected. By "us" I meant me, my compatriots and my ancestors. Im sure it doesnt mean you. As for the Pale, I'm aware it was not in the north. That is immaterial to the argument. The point is that the Norman invasion of Ireland, which set up the Pale (basically east central ireland), got England involved in the island's affairs.
And teh Anglo-Saxons were raiders themselves.
But not of Ireland.