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To: Vanders9

You wrote:

“Not a perfect analogy, but you took land from the Mexicans, as a result of the 1848 war.”

I’ve never taken a single inch of land from anyone.

“Quite a lot of land actuall. And you took land from the native americans.”

Again, I’ve never taken a single square inch of land from anyone, ever, anywhere.

“The fact that they’re all dead doesnt alter the principle.”

What principle? The Brits recognized Irish independence. Is that not a principle? How then could they keep a major Irish population ON THE ISLE OF IRELAND from being part of that nation on their own island?

“Anyway, it wasnt the British who invaded Ireland. It was the Normans. Right?”

No. The Normans were merely first. The English (English and Scots really) came in the 16th and 17th centuries and brutalized the Irish.


27 posted on 06/24/2010 7:44:58 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998
I know you PERSONALLY have never taken a single inch of land from anyone. Neither have I (not that it matters). Our ancestors bequeath the world to us, both good and bad.

What principle? The Brits recognized Irish independence. Is that not a principle? How then could they keep a major Irish population ON THE ISLE OF IRELAND from being part of that nation on their own island?

Because a majority of the people on that part of Ireland did not WANT to be part of that nation. Violently did not. You might equally say that the British recognised American independence but then kept a major part of the population ON THE CONTINENT OF AMERICA from being part of that nation (Canada). The principle is called "self-determination".

No. The Normans were merely first. The English (English and Scots really) came in the 16th and 17th centuries and brutalized the Irish.

But it was the Normans who got the "English" involved in Ireland in the first place. There would have been no Pale to maintain and defend in the 16th and 17th centuries if the Normans hadnt gotten us involved. Prior to that, it was the Irish who attacked mainland Britain. Irish raids on the west coast were a major nuisance for five centuries or more.

43 posted on 06/25/2010 12:38:50 AM PDT by Vanders9
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