You wrote:
“Yes I’ve heard of it. But that wasn’t solely about Irish rights.”
It was for the Irish.
“So let me see if I’ve got this straight. The protestant unionists, because they are all (apparently) “racist oppressors” and completely under the thumb of the British (also racist oppressors) and therefore have (and in fact deserve) no rights, no consideration and no voice? The catholic nationalist majority, because they are a majority, can pass any laws, make any decisions they desire, with total impunity and no moral comeback?”
1) You’re the one calling them racist. You keep pretending this is about race. They are all the same race. 2) Your second question is laughably stupid since I suggested no such thing. The Catholic majority in the Republic has been very hospitable to Protestants even after centuries of oppression from them.
“Is that exactly what you are saying? I dont want to misrepresent you here.”
You already have.
“Well, they are not. But assuming that they are, then what right do Irishmen have to be an independent nation?”
By what right do you deny them their freedom?
“After all, if we are all the same then surely we should all be united into one big happy family.”
Just a seond ago you said you didn’t want to misrepresent me and here you are doing it again for the second time in a single post. I neversaid they were the same. I said they were the ame race. And they are.
“Of course they are different races. Its nonsense to suggest otherwise.”
Nope. According to DNA analysis they are essentially the same people. Articles about exactly that have been posted here for years.
“Is the question too difficult or uncomfortable for you?”
Neither. I jsut enjoy watching you flounder as you are now.
“You seem to be doing everything you can to avoid answering it.”
No, I’ve barely started.
“And drogheda was nearly four hundred years ago, and the easter uprising is nearly a century old.”
Yes, and they prove my point while no batle in 1812 proves yours.
“Why are you still fighting the battles of old now?”
I am posting on the internet to sciolist. I see no battle here. Perhaps you think you are fighting a “virtual” battle?
“Sure are. The payback was the whitehouse getting the torch.”
And it was rebuilt better than ever. Honestly it never seemed like much of a loss to me. Merely secular buildings with almost no history, easily rebuit. No big deal.
“Not really. At least their farms weren’t getting burned down in the name of “liberty”.”
No, instead they were seized in the name of oppression by the British.
“There’s no need to be insulting.”
Kettle meet pot.
“I know about the raiding/slaving culture practiced by the Irish on all and sundry (St Patrick being the most famous victim). Right little lot of oppressors (oh sorry, no its only British and their lackeys who oppress. Sorry). But I’ve never heard of Anglo-saxons raiding Ireland. Vikings yes. But not English.”
But the point is the same. You were wrong. You apparently knew nothing about what I mentioned. You were wrong. Get used to it. It isn’t going to change.
Ok Ill soldier on. The protestant unionists, because they are all “oppressors” and completely under the thumb of the British oppressors therefore have (and in fact deserve) no rights, no consideration and no voice? The catholic nationalist majority, because they are a majority, can simply be an independent nation, irrespective of the wishes of the protestant unionists, because they are the majority. Is that a fairer summation of your position?
By what right do you deny them their freedom?
By what right do you deny the unionists their freedom to do what they want i.e. be in the union?
Nope. According to DNA analysis they are essentially the same people. Articles about exactly that have been posted here for years.
Human beings are remarkably genetically similar (99.72% on average I understand). Yet, if you were to take a spot of blood from 100 people in Eire and 100 people in Ulster and send them off to a lab, I guarantee you that a scientist could tell which was which.
No, I’ve barely started.
So go on then. What is your definition of freedom?
Yes, and they prove my point while no batle in 1812 proves yours.
What point would that be?
No, instead they were seized in the name of oppression by the British.
Rubbish. When did the British government seize farms in lower Canada?
Kettle meet pot.
I havent descended to personal abuse. I think youre wrong. In fact I think your belief system is puddled, but I havent called you stupid, said you were floundering, told you you were bad at debating, told you you were an oppressor scum and on, and on.
But the point is the same. You were wrong. You apparently knew nothing about what I mentioned. You were wrong. Get used to it. It isn’t going to change.
The point I made, which you denied, was that it was the normans who got England involved in Ireland when they invaded in the 12th century. The Anglo-Saxons never invaded Ireland. Some of Harold Godwinsons family took sanctuary in Ireland but that's hardly the start of English oppression, and your man Diarmait lent an Irish fleet that invaded England, not the other way round.
The only point is that you just don't like the British and will find any reason to point it out. Even a sincere apology doesn't cut it, so why bother apologising. If its not going to be enough, its never going to be enough.