Ok Ill soldier on. The protestant unionists, because they are all “oppressors” and completely under the thumb of the British oppressors therefore have (and in fact deserve) no rights, no consideration and no voice? The catholic nationalist majority, because they are a majority, can simply be an independent nation, irrespective of the wishes of the protestant unionists, because they are the majority. Is that a fairer summation of your position?
By what right do you deny them their freedom?
By what right do you deny the unionists their freedom to do what they want i.e. be in the union?
Nope. According to DNA analysis they are essentially the same people. Articles about exactly that have been posted here for years.
Human beings are remarkably genetically similar (99.72% on average I understand). Yet, if you were to take a spot of blood from 100 people in Eire and 100 people in Ulster and send them off to a lab, I guarantee you that a scientist could tell which was which.
No, I’ve barely started.
So go on then. What is your definition of freedom?
Yes, and they prove my point while no batle in 1812 proves yours.
What point would that be?
No, instead they were seized in the name of oppression by the British.
Rubbish. When did the British government seize farms in lower Canada?
Kettle meet pot.
I havent descended to personal abuse. I think youre wrong. In fact I think your belief system is puddled, but I havent called you stupid, said you were floundering, told you you were bad at debating, told you you were an oppressor scum and on, and on.
But the point is the same. You were wrong. You apparently knew nothing about what I mentioned. You were wrong. Get used to it. It isn’t going to change.
The point I made, which you denied, was that it was the normans who got England involved in Ireland when they invaded in the 12th century. The Anglo-Saxons never invaded Ireland. Some of Harold Godwinsons family took sanctuary in Ireland but that's hardly the start of English oppression, and your man Diarmait lent an Irish fleet that invaded England, not the other way round.
The only point is that you just don't like the British and will find any reason to point it out. Even a sincere apology doesn't cut it, so why bother apologising. If its not going to be enough, its never going to be enough.
You wrote:
“Ok Ill soldier on.”
...in posting misrepresentations apparently.
“The protestant unionists, because they are all “oppressors” and completely under the thumb of the British oppressors therefore have (and in fact deserve) no rights, no consideration and no voice?”
Why do you insist on lying about what I have said?
“The catholic nationalist majority, because they are a majority, can simply be an independent nation, irrespective of the wishes of the protestant unionists, because they are the majority. Is that a fairer summation of your position?”
Quit while you’re behind. If you can’t understand why I so plainly stated, then this is simply too difficult for you.
“By what right do you deny the unionists their freedom to do what they want i.e. be in the union?”
They can be in union with the UK all they want - in England, or Wales, or Scotland. They actually have several choices without in any way encroaching on the freedoms of the Irish to be in union with their own people on their own island in their own ancestral homes.
“Human beings are remarkably genetically similar (99.72% on average I understand). Yet, if you were to take a spot of blood from 100 people in Eire and 100 people in Ulster and send them off to a lab, I guarantee you that a scientist could tell which was which.”
Actually, not so much. Again, you appaently haven’t read up on this. They are the same race with the same genetic make-up on all major markers. You were wrong.
“So go on then. What is your definition of freedom?”
I would rather watch you twist in the wind making constant errors.
“What point would that be?”
If you paid attention, you would have known.
“Rubbish. When did the British government seize farms in lower Canada?”
Lower Canada? I never brought up Lower Canada. You’re wrong again!
“I havent descended to personal abuse.”
Neither have I. I have merely stated facts.
“I think youre wrong. In fact I think your belief system is puddled, but I havent called you stupid, said you were floundering, told you you were bad at debating, told you you were an oppressor scum and on, and on.”
I called you a sciolist. I said your comment or point was stupid (ti was!). You are floundering and have been from the start. You also have problems debating. I called oppressors oppressors. If you believe that applies to you, then so be it. Everything I said was true. If facts bother you, then stay away from the internet.
“The point I made, which you denied, was that it was the normans who got England involved in Ireland when they invaded in the 12th century. The Anglo-Saxons never invaded Ireland.”
I didn’t ignore your point. I showed it was a por understanding of history. You jump back and forth from now to the 12th century almost as if there is a point to your leapfrogging, but there isn’t.
“Some of Harold Godwinsons family took sanctuary in Ireland but that’s hardly the start of English oppression, and your man Diarmait lent an Irish fleet that invaded England, not the other way round.”
And all of that still proved my point. And you no longer remember what that is and I am not inclined to tell you.
“The only point is that you just don’t like the British and will find any reason to point it out.”
I treat the British as they deserve to be treated in regard to their actions. Some of their actions have been good. Some have been horrible. You apparently want the British to be worshiped. I want them to be treated as they are - flawed mortals who oppressed their neighbors for hundreds of years while still producing some good things. I am in the end much more even handed than you are.
“Even a sincere apology doesn’t cut it, so why bother apologising. If its not going to be enough, its never going to be enough.”
And apology is the start. A better action would be for the British to simply admit they should have left all of Ireland in the 1920s. Bloody Sunday never would have happened if they had.