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Bouvier's Law Dictionary 1928

1 posted on 06/12/2010 6:55:06 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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Bouvier's Law Dictionary 1928

Bad definition, in my opinion. Different words mean different things, else they wouldn't be different.

Example:

animal; a dog.

dog; an animal.

This is circular, and neither choice provides a clear distinction between the two words being defined.

A Native Born Citizen is not a Natural Born Citizen.

2 posted on 06/12/2010 7:06:09 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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“Every statesmen are not always wise...”

Odd construction of an English sentence.


3 posted on 06/12/2010 7:23:47 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: bushpilot1

He’s nothing but an illegal alien!


5 posted on 06/12/2010 7:28:14 PM PDT by dalereed (in)
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NBC Ping


10 posted on 06/12/2010 7:45:37 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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>""The country of the child is that of the father."

"There is" says McLeod, "something in the idea of native country which is intimately connected with the doctrine of allegiance. It is not, however, the spot of earth, upon which the child is born that connects him with the national society, but the relation of the child's parents to that society.

Listen to them try to explain this. Adolph Hitler comes to America, and procreates.

Is the son of Adolph eligible?

11 posted on 06/12/2010 7:47:14 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you, O you most proud, said the Lord God of hosts.)
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Interesting definition. You find it reflected in court cases of the 19th century.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898): Wong Kim Ark was the son of two resident Chinese aliens who could not naturalize as U.S. citizens due to a treaty between the Emperor of China and the U.S. Government forbidding such naturalizations. They were, however, permanent resident aliens.

Wong claimed U.S. Citizenship by basis of his birth in the U.S.A. He was vindicated by the Supreme Court on the basis of the 14th Amendment. In this case Justice Gray gave the opinion of the court. On p. 168-9 of the record, He cites approvingly of the decision in Minor vs. Happersett: “At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, BORN IN A COUNTRY OF PARENTS WHO WERE ITS CITIZENS, BECAME THEMSELVES, UPON THEIR BIRTH CITIZENS ALSO. THESE WERE NATIVES, OR NATURAL-BORN CITIZENS, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

On the basis of the 14th Amendment the majority opinion coined a new definition for “native citizen”, as anyone who was born in the U.S.A. under the jurisdiction of the United States. The Court thus extended citizenship to all born in the country (excepting those born of ambassadors and foreign armies etc.) but it DID NOT extend the meaning of the term “natural born citizen” to those whose parents were not citizens at the time of the child’s birth.

So called anchor babies born here of illegal aliens can not become President.

In addition, Natural Born Citizenship is NOT a type of citizenship! It is but a circumstance of birth, and the only place it appears in U.S. law is in the U.S. Constitution as a requirement for eligibility to serve as President.


12 posted on 06/12/2010 7:55:10 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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The natural-born or native is one born in the country of citizen parents.

This sort of statement is the cause of all sorts of misunderstanding, and is the source of all sorts of mischief.

All citizens, regardless of how that citizenship was acquired, have identical rights and duties. There is no difference between the most newly-minted, naturalized citizen and the natural-born descendent of original citizens under the so-called "grandfather clause."

There is, however, restriction at the Federal level as to the requirements for eligiblity to hold Federal elected office. These restrictions can pertain to age, length of residency, length of citizenship if not natural-born, and for the highest office in the land, that of President and Commander in Chief, natural-born citizenship.

A citizen is a citizen, encompassing every means of attaining citizenship. Naturalized citizens are citizens, native born citizens are citizens, and natural-born citizens are citizens. Hence the interchangeable use of the term "citizen" to describe these several different types of citizen. They're all belonging to the same set.

A native citizen is born in the country, to parents legally present, such as resident aliens with a green card. The set of "citizen" is reduced to a subset of native born citizens via the restriction of native birth in the country.

A natural-born citizen is born in the country, to parents not just legally present, but who are citizens themselves. The citizenship of the parents of natural-born citizens can be acquired by any of the means available, from naturalization to legal statute to birth in the country. Doesn't matter how, it just matters that they are.

The terms native and natural born can be used interchangeably in certain contexts, just as the word "citizen" can be, when discussing citizens born in the country, because the meanings overlap in those contexts. That interchangeability in certain contexts does not render the two terms identical in meaning.

The only term and the only meaning that pertains to the executive branch and the Presidency is natural-born citizen. Do not be taken in by attempts to conflate native with natural-born when discussing the Presidency as a result.

Not so coincidentally, the Obama campaign website very carefully wrapped their description of then-candidate Obama in Constitutional language, but stopped short of claiming that he was anything but a "native born citizen."

There's that mischief, relying upon inattentiveness to any distinction. They did not claim that he met the requirement, they merely fluffed it into sounding similar.

16 posted on 06/12/2010 8:14:06 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: bushpilot1

Resident Obama.


18 posted on 06/12/2010 8:18:40 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (No prisoners, no mercy. 2010 is here...)
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Obama is not qualified. The problem is, no one that has any power to do something about it is going to do anything about it. No one in government, including judges, wants to deal with the riots and bloodshed that will take place if he is removed.


19 posted on 06/12/2010 8:20:34 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Gone Galt and loving it)
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The subject book is being blocked by Google no doubt on the behest of the White House.

On the contrary, Google Books has the entire book online. Click here.

23 posted on 06/12/2010 8:34:53 PM PDT by upchuck (Don't let freedom slip away. After America, there is no place to go ~ Kitty Werthmann - Google her.)
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I’m not sure I get your point. Are you claiming that someone with Obama’s parentage is not a citizen at all?


33 posted on 06/12/2010 9:08:08 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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36 posted on 06/12/2010 9:30:33 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping List-freepmail me to be included or removed. <{{{><)
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Here is the link to the Congressional Record for June 14, 1967, concerning the eligibility of Governor George Romney, to be President.

It is stated on page 15880 that George Romney was NOT eligible because he was born in Mexico.

It states in the first column on page 15880 that “natural born” meant also “native born” or born in the US.

Pay particular attention to the paragraphs following “To summarize:” in the center column of page 15880 at the end of the article.

This is not a legal ruling, but it is legal research and opinion. I defer to you folks to study this.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/20829167/Natural-Born-Citizen-Congressional-Record-6-14-1967-p-15875-80


53 posted on 06/13/2010 12:01:27 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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Natural Born Ping!

Good discussion going on.

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61 posted on 06/13/2010 12:01:39 PM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Here, intolerance... will not be tolerated! - (South Park))
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Because he doesn't love this country, he is in no hurry to use all resources to help save the Gulf.
94 posted on 06/14/2010 7:01:00 AM PDT by opentalk
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