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New government entity to take control over military and civilian networks
Tech 1984 ^ | 5/31/10 | Tech 1984

Posted on 06/07/2010 9:29:58 PM PDT by oc-flyfish

This is pretty scary stuff. The Federal government is ready to seize control of private company networks in order to "protect" us in the event of a hacker attack.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: civilliberties; communication; constitution; cybercom; emergencyprep; hugoland; socialistblitzkrieg
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To: GeronL

Comrade, if you have nothink to be hidingk, vy you should be vorried about government control of internet?


181 posted on 06/08/2010 10:40:12 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: autumnraine
It would have to be designed so if one section was corrupted - the other sections could still function. Creating a system that keeps as many people active as possible would require 5 or 6 levels - and interesting small subsets. God help us if we ever have to get to that point. If liberals go totalitarian - it'll be us and the Jews who will be at risk... it might be worth thinking about... But it's hopefully very unlikely. Too many good people in this country to allow this to happen ( I hope and pray )

Then again if you had asked Germans if they would act the way they did - before it happened, they would have thought you nuts. Human nature tells us it's happened before - and it can happen again...

182 posted on 06/08/2010 10:42:59 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php?area=dam&lang=eng)
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To: musicman

ping


183 posted on 06/08/2010 10:48:14 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Travis McGee

lol.

I am just wondering how long before they try to apply the McCain-Feingold restrictions to the internet? Shut down FR 30 days before every election!

Sounds like something only Obama-Kagan & Soros could support.


184 posted on 06/08/2010 10:50:19 AM PDT by GeronL (Political Correctness Kills)
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To: Myrddin
I've met both Phil Karn and Bruce Schneier.

You lucky bastard. I still think I was born a bit too late to have a lot of the fun I could have had.

BTW, the Skein hash algorithm made by Bruce and his usual collaborators is in the second round of the NIST hash function competition. Wish him luck. Their Twofish algorithm made it to the final five for the encryption standard, but didn't get chosen.

185 posted on 06/08/2010 10:51:36 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Travis McGee
In my first novel (2003) a computer network guy posted the names and particulars of all of the federal agents in several states on a dispersed system somewhat analogous to gnutella and other music programs. I’m not sure what’s possible today.

The WiFi networking coupled with mesh network e.g. Freifunk would allow a community to have good networking independent of ISPs. The peer-to-peer network file sharing programs will work just fine over a mesh of that type. It's more viable than what we did with our ham radio packet networks in the 80's.

There are alternative firmware loads for the Linksys WRT-54G router that natively support Freifunk. I don't recall whether that is an AODV or OLSR mesh. The routers that support it were Linux based. Later board revisions moved to a different OS and smaller memory footprint to save money. The best configurations are running dual frequency bands. A "backbone" on 802.11a goes router to router. Local connectivity is achieved on 802.11b/g on 2.4 GHz. The antennas are small and easy to place high on your house.

186 posted on 06/08/2010 10:55:26 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: txhurl; basil; lormand; wolfcreek

You seen this yet??


187 posted on 06/08/2010 10:56:55 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Remember in November. Clean the house on Nov. 2. / Progressive is a PC word for liberal democrat.)
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To: null and void

I’m rushing out to Cost-Co now. I will not be caught without a supply of tin foil!


188 posted on 06/08/2010 11:05:05 AM PDT by Thidwick
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To: antiRepublicrat
I admire Bruce's insistence on making his algorithms public and subjected to as much scrutiny as possible. It's best to find the holes before the algorithm gets distributed.

I started attending UseNIX in 1988. It was a great place to rub elbows with my peers in the industry and meet some of the giants who created it. Dennis Ritchie, David Korn, Mike Karels, Chris Torek and a long list of others were folks I had the pleasure of meeting at those events. By 1996, the UseNIX meetings were getting less productive. Linus Torvalds did a very amusing presentation at the last one I attended. He is a real live wire in person. Not all of the luminaries are pleasant folks in person. I won't elaborate, but one meeting was sufficient for a few. I really liked Larry Wall. He always showed up in a tux for his talks.

The first time I met Phil Karn, I was on a technical business trip to Bellcore. Phil's office was in an adjacent building. It was a real maze of passages. It was around 1 PM when I was looking for his office. A nearby office mate said it was "a little early for Phil". He did walk in a few minutes later. That day he was preparing to attend the Dayton Hamvention. It was nice to finally meet in person. A couple months later, Phil signed on with Qualcomm and made his trek to San Diego with a Qualstar device on the roof of his car.

189 posted on 06/08/2010 11:07:12 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: oc-flyfish

I’m just gonna go with my tag line for my comment!


190 posted on 06/08/2010 11:09:45 AM PDT by Frangibled (Paranoia - Surest sign of sanity between 2008 and 2012)
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To: Myrddin
I started attending UseNIX in 1988.

On second thought, it probably wasn't that I was born too late, but that I was running around the world in the Army.

191 posted on 06/08/2010 11:10:52 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
I grew up in a Navy family. Lots of running around all over the US. CA, HI, WA, VA. My current employer has sent me all over the US and many foreign countries. A little travel adds variety and improves perspective. It also makes you appreciate being home.
192 posted on 06/08/2010 11:33:02 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: 2nd amendment mama; myboyz

FYI


193 posted on 06/08/2010 11:58:19 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "Gun Free Zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: Jet Jaguar

Little known fact...there is a second, seperate, significantly larger net that is operated by the government. It is essentially what they were building before the public was given access. They do not use the network upon which you and I communicate.


194 posted on 06/08/2010 12:01:05 PM PDT by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: Arrowhead1952
Have you seen this?

Thanks to you I just did. I'm alerting some others to read it.

Not much would surprise me in this day and age. The best I can do it seems is to keep muttering to myself: We're screwed.

I'll contact my rep--but his name is Lloyd Doggett--don't expect much help there. We could also contact Gov GoodHair, and K Bailey and John Cornyn,but that would probably be wasted effort too.

What are your suggestions for action?

195 posted on 06/08/2010 12:04:34 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "Gun Free Zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: Still Thinking
Bruce Schneier has a text book, Applied Cryptography. It was, and is, the best. It had code in it to show how to implement the various cryptographic algorithms. The book also came with a disk with the code on it.

At the time cryptography export restrictions as a munition prevented the disk from being exported. However the book could be exported since it was only text. Thus the government's reason for banning the disk assumes nobody in any foreign country knows how to type.

Karn sued over export of the disk. It was a thorn in the administration's side, and I believe led them to realize the export restrictions were stupid. Remember, this was also a time when US businesses had to ship lower-encryption products overseas, killing their ability to be competitive with foreign companies who could use the full encryption in their products. Karn thus incidentally did a lot for the US software business.

A related issue was Phil Zimmermann's Pretty Good Privacy. The Clinton administration hounded him for years because people had exported PGP. To show the idiocy, Phil published a book with the source, and foreigners scanned it in, compiled it and put it on the Internet. Thus you could download a legal version of PGP from a foreign source (IIRC, Finland was popular), but not from Phil here in the US since he couldn't publish it in a place where it could be easily downloaded to a foreign country without Clinton's goons nailing him.

196 posted on 06/08/2010 12:05:12 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: basil

See reply #50 and 137 on this thread. We need a boots on the ground network.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2529899/replies?c=50


197 posted on 06/08/2010 12:22:19 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Remember in November. Clean the house on Nov. 2. / Progressive is a PC word for liberal democrat.)
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To: 88keys

Ackshully, I did know because it “buzzed” my car while I was washing it and left your message loud ans splatty while chirping chopsticks ib Morse code. It had to be psychic because my own sister don’t know where I live. (And don’t you tell her either!)
So the bigger question is what do you have against my car? And just wait until you get my response!


198 posted on 06/08/2010 12:47:53 PM PDT by MestaMachine (De inimico non loquaris sed cogites- Don't wish ill for your enemy; plan it)
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To: Scythian
Alpha Tango Bravo 7A42-43e2-9207-7DF3FBA70927

Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.

199 posted on 06/08/2010 1:38:08 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 502 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Thidwick

Shiny side out.


200 posted on 06/08/2010 1:39:35 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 502 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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