Dr. Grossman: a Catholic Funded Abortionist in Colorado's Four Corners

Denver Independent Examiner ^ | May 26, 5:38 PM | Gualberto Garcia Jones

[vladimir998]

You wrote:

“If the article is mistaken, what is the Catholic church’s relationship to the hospital and those who practice there?”

1) The Catholic Church doesn’t own the hospital. The church doesn’t pay the salary of anyone in the hospital either - except perhaps of the chaplain.
2) The Catholic Church doesn’t have the legal authority to hire or fire anyone in the hospital other than the Catholic chaplain.
3) The Catholic Church has spiritual authority over all the Catholics in the hospital. That means the bishop of the diocese can excommunicate Catholics there if they violate canon law. That is his decision, however, and realistically there is essentially no way to go over his head in the situation. Thus, as an institution, in real terms, the hospital is not under the control of the bishop and the Church.

And this proves my point in spades: http://www.sentinel.org/node/10753

[Faith]

Acts 5:29

[Col Freeper]

Yes, scandal can be reporting the truth to those who do not need to know it. If this truth causes a loss in faith in a person for who no need of that particular detail existed, the telling of same is wrong. So, for example, if I know that a neighbor is having an affair, telling random people that truth could be a sin.

Interesting, thanks for the response..

Just so I understand your response correctly, are you saying that this author is stating that he may be sinning by telling the public about the activities he is describing (i.e. the public does not need to know)?

Who would be the decision-maker concerning the public's "need to know"?

[narses]

Yes.

[Colofornian]

So should the Catholic Churcxh review all the private lives of the doctors they give priveleges to? What should they include as a reason to forbid priveleges, aside from performing abortions?...At what point does the activity that a doctor performs when he is not at work determine whether he should get priveleges? [worst-case scenario]

Why do we need liberals touting their abortion rhetoric when we have supposed "conservative FReepers" like yourself telling us...
(a) ...dismembering pre-borns is a "performance"?? (do these abortionist get an "entertainment bonus fee" for doing it in the eyes of God and sanction-free by the local/regional Catholic leaders?)
(b) ...we label men who dismember pre-born babies, and fail to treat such a baby as a second patient, something all real docs/OB-GYNs do...as "doctors"???

So should the Catholic Churcxh review all the private livesdoctors...

So now what people do as a public profession -- dismembering babies -- is reduced by you to be some "private" life activity? Really? Are you a grad of Abortion U.? Did you attend the Planned Parenthood School of 'Pro-Choice' Rhetoric?

[Col Freeper]

Thanks for the answer to the first question.

Any information you can provide concerning the second question?

[Col Freeper]

Agreed, what I meant was that a physician's association with a hospital in no way indicates his religious affiliation. This monster could easily be a Baptist, Calvinist, Jew or atheist.

Good point.

[Colofornian]

He DOES NOT murder babies in a Catholic hospital.

(Oh, "thank God" he gets the murderin' out of his system each week before he steps into a Catholic sanctioned institution to "heal" others...BTW, how would pregnant FReepers feel goin' to see an abortionist like this in a Catholic hospital, knowing full well that abortionist GROSSman doesn't treat pre-borns as "second patients" in other environments? Certainly doesn't exude confidence in the institution)

[wagglebee]

Do not confuse my statement of fact with a defense of the hospital’s actions.

[narses]

Your conscience.

[BlackElk]

The nun murdered an innocent baby. The abortionist killed many. Nothing wrong with either of them that cannot be cured by burning them at the stake. As to Grossman, it is not easy to excommunicate those who were never in the Church.

[bmwcyle]

ping

[Colofornian]

Do not confuse my statement of fact with a defense of the hospital’s actions.

I understand that. And in part, that's all you were doing...was issuing a "statement of fact".

Still, when we're seemingly more concerned with...
... pinpointing the venue of a butcher's killing field, thereby properly "compartmentalizing" it,
...vs. stressing that a murderer's still a murderer even when his victim tally isn't "upped" at a given religiously sanctioned location...
...then I'd think you could agree with me that even our simple "statements of fact" begin to sound a bit off-kilter. (Yes?)

[marajade]

The saducees didn’t want the apostles preaching the truth and falsely imprisoned them in acts 5

What does that have to do with God placing civil authorities over them and following laws have to do with acts 5

[marajade]

I don’t believe in abortion in every case. But when someone saves the life of a mother I wouldn’t call it abortion. There are medical reasons.

[marajade]

should have pinged you sorry

[Colofornian]

I don’t believe in abortion in every case. But when someone saves the life of a mother I wouldn’t call it abortion. There are medical reasons.

Medical reasons like what? An ectopic pregnancy? Yes. But in that case, the baby is going to die, anyway, and will kill the mom in the process. So that is a rare but genuine case of "self-defense."

Tell me, what other "medical reasons" does a doc know where yes, 100% (like an ectopic situation), he can diagnostically or "prophetically" say, "This baby will kill Mom if we don't get him or her out of there?" (before a late-term early induced pregnancy situation, that is)

[marajade]

I’m not a MD

[narses]

“I’m not a MD”

Really? Good. As a laymen then, answer the question.

[wagglebee]

The original comment indicated that abortions were being performed in the Catholic hospital, all I did was point out that this was false, I made no attempt to defend the hospital.