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Documents Show Early Worries About Safety of Rig
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/us/30rig.html ^

Posted on 05/29/2010 10:26:29 PM PDT by Java4Jay

Game over. The New York Times has the smoking gun. BP internal documents show they knew the risk of using thin casing in high pressure, lied to MMS.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bp; deephorz; deepwaterhorizon; energy; offshore; oil; oilleak; oilspill
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To: ltc8k6

I’m with ya.


41 posted on 05/30/2010 1:15:05 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: Java4Jay

There is no escaping that the blowout and the entire mess that has ensued in the fault of BP and BP must pay for every cent of the clean-up and pay lost income to all of those along the Gulf Coast who have been impacted economically by BP’s Disaster.


42 posted on 05/30/2010 2:16:11 AM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Java4Jay; All

Why are the networks not down on the coast and in the water/air covering the spill? As with Katrina?


43 posted on 05/30/2010 2:28:01 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: ChurtleDawg

A releif well should be drilled at the same time the main well is drilled. These operations carry too much risk the way they are conducted now. We must have the oil but it must be done safely. This can never happen again. It will be months before it is stopped.


44 posted on 05/30/2010 3:42:20 AM PDT by screaminsunshine
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To: ltc8k6

Not with where the oil price will go. All this Green crap will not replace oil in 50 years. IT IS lIBERAL PSYCHOBABBLE.


45 posted on 05/30/2010 3:44:08 AM PDT by screaminsunshine
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To: DTogo

Not to mention shallow offshore in FL and the East Coast.


46 posted on 05/30/2010 3:58:39 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: ltc8k6
It was written to absolve the regulatory folks, imo.

Yup.

Federal drilling records and well reports obtained through the Freedom of Information Act and BP’s internal documents, including more than 50,000 pages of company e-mail messages, inspection reports, engineering studies and other company records obtained by The Times from Congressional investigators, shed new light on the extent and timing of problems with the blowout preventer and the casing long before the explosion.

47 posted on 05/30/2010 4:31:24 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Java4Jay

48 posted on 05/30/2010 4:34:35 AM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: ltc8k6

“According to the NYT article that this thread is about, the permit in question was approved within 10 minutes. Not much regulation when you are rubber stamping...”

That may be a bit harsh depending upon the extent of prior consultation going on. Sufficient prior consultation would indicate an extensive amount of involvement on the part of the regulators in the planning and execution of this operation. IOW, the regulators must either admit to being a ‘rubber-stamp’ and not doing their job or the regulators must admit they were involved in every step of the planning process and have as much responsibility in this disaster as BP.

That said, I’m beginning to get the feeling that this disaster will reveal many parallels to the Challenger disaster, ie, management overiding engineers, safety, and operations.


49 posted on 05/30/2010 5:33:51 AM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: mlocher

This finding in no way absolves Obama.

Suppose BP were to have intentionally caused this calamity, absolutely on purpose. Just suppose.

Obama didn’t care. He was aloof, hands-off, on vacation both figuratively and literally. There was, unlike Bush during Katrina, no chaos on the ground to keep him from going to the coast. It took weeks and considerable political and public pressure for him to give more than casual lip service.

So I can’t agree with your conclusion #1, because whatever the NYT motives may be, at this point it’s impossible to cover for Barry 0.

As a leader he’s hopeless.


50 posted on 05/30/2010 5:37:02 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: trumandogz
Mr. Gowers said that any questions regarding the device should be directed to Transocean, which owns the rig and, he said, was responsible for maintenance and testing of the device. Transocean officials declined to comment.

It appears the delay test of the BOP was a safety precaution. What isn't explained was why the testing pressures were decreased significantly and the subsequent risk evaluation is not discussed.

The manufacturer of the blowout preventer, Cameron, declined to say what the appropriate testing pressure was for the device.

Both the subcontractor responsible for testing and the manufacture have declined to comment or provide explanation. The documents are from BP, but further investigation is needed into the subcontractors records and discussions between BP engineers and the subcontractors engineers.

51 posted on 05/30/2010 5:39:15 AM PDT by EBH (Our First Right...."it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,")
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To: DugwayDuke
disaster will reveal many parallels to the Challenger disaster, ie, management overiding engineers, safety, and operations.

I agree with you. It is one of the major reasons I got out of the safety business. This well should have been BP's shining moment, instead they appear to have taken risks to jeopardize that moment.

I am less concerned with the permitting issue as I am curious about the lowered psi testing standard? Why lowered? Why that number? How was that determined? What was the manufacture specifications?

52 posted on 05/30/2010 5:46:51 AM PDT by EBH (Our First Right...."it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,")
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To: cpdiii

I agree with you. Had BP followed standard procedure this would not have happened.

BP was treaing this well as a “no-problems” well and were trying to rush through and get it done because they were behind schedule.

The problem is that this was a known “problem well” and the utmost care should have been paid to following the procedures that minimized the KNOWN, INCREASED chances of a catstrophic accident.


53 posted on 05/30/2010 6:01:26 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Java4Jay

All test and event data are to be sent live to shore for archiving.

The last 7 hours of data before the Deepwater Horizon sank are missing. Where is this data, who is holding it?


54 posted on 05/30/2010 6:07:34 AM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: ChurtleDawg
it would take a lot, I mean a lot, of drilling to put a major dent in profits for a major oil company. They have a lot of money.

Lot of gross profits but seems I had read their net profit margin is not that high and under 10%.

55 posted on 05/30/2010 6:08:19 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: Java4Jay

If I remember correctly, one of the first tasks performed after she sank was to fix hydraulic leaks on the BOP.


56 posted on 05/30/2010 6:13:40 AM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: ltc8k6
You’d have to budget and equip for two every time...

Besides, the relief well can blow out and leak...

The phenomenon of increasing cost and complexity not necessarily improving safety or quality.

57 posted on 05/30/2010 6:35:40 AM PDT by SteamShovel (Obama...Chains you can believe in)
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To: Java4Jay
Game - Set - Match

Of course we will have to wait and see how they spin this to pin the blame on Bush.

58 posted on 05/30/2010 11:13:50 AM PDT by Hoodat (.For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: Java4Jay

The US Government should take over command of the cleanup while BP focuses on sealing the well.

Well done Obama, you’re a true leader.


59 posted on 05/30/2010 11:35:23 AM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: Smokin' Joe

exxon mobil has profits that are like 10bn$$ per quarter. Drilling some extra wells would not be that big of a deal.


60 posted on 05/30/2010 11:44:56 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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