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AP: BP Plug/Top Kill Has Failed
AP | 5-29-10

Posted on 05/29/2010 1:13:23 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

AP news break via ABC News Radio that the top kill plug has failed and has not worked. Link to follow...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bp; deephorz; deepwaterhorizon; liberalfascism; liberalkoolaid; oilspill; topkill
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To: shield
Lots of oil men have been saying it’d not work.

Yep, my dad and I were both in the offshore platform design/build business Petro-Marine Engineering in Houston. Way too much pressure coming out of the riser to just try to plug. It will take true brilliance on the part of someone to stop that gusher.

181 posted on 05/29/2010 4:18:33 PM PDT by seeker41 (CULPRIT CHINESE COMPANY INFO.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Uh oh...ZERO has an epic failure on his hands. After all he made it VERY CLEAR that HIS ADMINISTRATION was telling BP what to do.

Oh yeah, does zero taking full responsibility for stopping the gusher mean he has let BP off the hook legally and put the American taxpayer in it’s place.


182 posted on 05/29/2010 4:22:31 PM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: seeker41

Don’t cap it .. capture it


183 posted on 05/29/2010 4:23:01 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: seeker41

...because I have idea about this stuff, can you explain to me why they are not ‘sucking’ the stuff out, or rerouting and containing the oil into a tanker?


184 posted on 05/29/2010 4:24:10 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: My Favorite Headache

Remember those first reports that top kill had worked. They were circulated just prior to Obama’s visit. More agitprop from the WH.


185 posted on 05/29/2010 4:25:50 PM PDT by kabar
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To: combat_boots

And the second messenger did sound, and as it were a great mountain with fire burning was cast into the sea, and the third of the sea became blood, Rev. 8:8


186 posted on 05/29/2010 4:28:17 PM PDT by EBH (Our First Right...."it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,")
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To: Walmartian

Boy, I can think of an appropriate place to place those.


187 posted on 05/29/2010 4:28:40 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We are an Oligarchy now and worse if we fail. TeaParty On...)
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To: HollyB
because I have idea about this stuff, can you explain to me why they are not ‘sucking’ the stuff out, or rerouting and containing the oil into a tanker?

They are. Here is the best briefing on what is going on at the surface and the well head complete with fantastic graphics and animation. If you view this 13 minute video from BP, you will know more than 99% of MSM.

188 posted on 05/29/2010 4:29:50 PM PDT by kabar
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To: spectre
"Obama's girls will be out of school shortly and they'll no doubt be heading to the Beaches of Hawaii...... "

Actually I think they are going to Indonesia...remember where Barry Soredo grew up?

The Indonesia trip was posponed due to the Obamacare disaster...

189 posted on 05/29/2010 4:30:01 PM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: dennisw

Yea, I’m thinking.

I’ve seen diagrams of, and talked to fellow engineers who used to do consulting work on what are called “effects test” of nukes in Nevada. The vertical column tests (ie, similar to what you’re talking about) were “yield tests,” and much smaller devices (down in the single kiloton range) were put into horizontal shafts with all manner of instrumentation to measure what the nuke reaction put off. Very small nukes, just as you’re preaching, were what were used in effects tests.

Yes, we have them. Or, perhaps more accurately, we *had* them.

One of the things that a lot of people aren’t wise to is that nuke weapons decay with time, and without regular regeneration and refresh, you might have a low, dirty yield, or a “fizzle” - an incomplete critical reaction, depending on the level of decay. There are components of a nuke which decay over time, which you then have to remove and refresh in order to keep the reaction from choking itself with decay by-products.

But let’s put that part of it aside for a sec, and think of just the paperwork side of this.

So you want a bomb this small (which is much smaller than a conventional strategic weapon, meaning that they likely aren’t kept in ‘inventory’ because they’re research devices), which probably hasn’t been maintained for over a decade, and now has to be refurbed (which might require a variance in one or more of these goofy damn treaties we’ve signed, because we’re effectively creating a weapon here). So that’s going to take some time, especially since the Russians, French and other widely known foot-draggers are signatories.

Now you’re going to use it in an underground explosion (which will absolutely require a treaty exception from other signatories, because it will be taken as an underground test of a nuke device). Let’s say you get lucky and get a variance of an underground test at the same time as the above issue of creating a new weapon, if there is some treaty restriction there. We’re looking at at least a month if Obama gets on the phone on Monday. And we already know that Obama hasn’t got the executive leadership skills to drag an incontinent five year old in the direction of a restroom.

Now, on top of this, I’ve read rather extensively of the whole of the scientific community and their sub-culture of opposition surrounding nuclear power, much less nuclear weapons. I’m talking of people with PhD’s in physics, BTW. Nominally smart people, but also very anti-nuke, and some are arguably anti-American as well. We can insert references from all manner of do-gooder groups of accredited scientists who are anti-nuke who will raise a hue and cry against using a nuke. They’re going to call for Congressional hearings, they’re going to protest any possible use of a nuke whatsoever - in part, because it will be an excuse to refurb a nuke and pop it off underground — ie, there are military nuke efficacy issues they’re going to contend are happening here.

More time pissed away dealing with the evaluations of those people.

Now toss in all the usual suspects in the environmental community who are already howling like ruptured ducks, groups who have the ear of the Obama administration.

Still think it is a quick fix?

I don’t. I see any and all talk of using a nuke as just pissing time down a bottomless pit when compared to most all other solutions that could be engineered.

I’ve said it once. Now I’ll say it again:

“Quick, cheap, correct. Pick any two.”


190 posted on 05/29/2010 4:31:10 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: HollyB

The pressure coming out of a 36” pipe is so great it’s like trying to place a knife in a moving sheath. Have you tried to place your palm on something that was gushing at 1400 PSI,,,pretty difficult to stop. Don’t know how else to explain it. If the could slow the flow it would be easier to telescope differing sizes of pipe down into the hole until they could cap it.


191 posted on 05/29/2010 4:33:43 PM PDT by seeker41 (CULPRIT CHINESE COMPANY INFO.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Could someone explain to me how the force of the oil leak is greater than the force/pressure of the ocean/water?


192 posted on 05/29/2010 4:33:49 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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“because I have idea about this stuff”

I meant to say - ‘because I have NO idea about this stuff...’
Sorry, just woke from a nap, time for a little more caffeine.


193 posted on 05/29/2010 4:36:16 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: EBH

Maybe the Gulf of Mexico is destined to become the Lake of Fire?


194 posted on 05/29/2010 4:37:01 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: seeker41

Thanks seeker41, that makes sense.


195 posted on 05/29/2010 4:37:17 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: WoofDog123
"I have read specifics somewhere on why a nuke is not correct for the geologic makeup of the deep horizon well."

But imagine how nice the Gulf would look if it glowed in the dark...

196 posted on 05/29/2010 4:38:32 PM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
—5/28/10 11:00 hours. Top Kill is working— Obama states he is in charge to get credit. He has saved the world and can go on Vaca now.
—5/29/10 17:00 hours. Top Kill has failed—BP is solely responsible. Obama has not saved world and remains on Vaca.
—5/30/10 09:00 hours. Lame stream media morning shows regurgitate new DNC talking points.
—5/31/10: 10:00 hours. VP Joe Biden insinuates at Arlington National that it is unknown if the Unknown Soldier was gay, but he was a damn brave warrior, regardless.
—That about sums up the weekend.
197 posted on 05/29/2010 4:40:54 PM PDT by Shqipo (I stand with AZ!)
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To: ichabod1; autumnraine

After all of his nuclear non-proliferation crap (as well as the declaration that he would not respond to a nuclear attack in kind), my gut tells me it will be a cold day in hell before he nukes the leak.


198 posted on 05/29/2010 4:45:46 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: dennisw
"I am talking about using a small nuke 5000 ft down if the rock there is suitable."

The hole was 13,000ft below the bottom and my expert says that they hit a very porous gaseous level that blew the mud up and stopped circulation resulting in the blow "out". An explosion of any type at that depth could be almost volcanic in magnitude.

199 posted on 05/29/2010 4:46:15 PM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: dennisw
"Lets say Gulf fisheries and oystering, beaches and tourism is 4 billion per year. Ruin that for 10 years and that’s 40 billion dollars."

Didn't I hear that 0bamanation is going to give the teachers 120 billion?

$40 billion is small potatoes, just ship those folks the cashish, no problemo...

200 posted on 05/29/2010 4:51:04 PM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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