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Disobedient brats no martyrs for freedom (USA Flag shirt students)
CNN ^ | May 21, 2010 | Ruben Navarrette

Posted on 05/21/2010 12:52:46 PM PDT by Rebelbase

San Diego, California (CNN) — When five students at Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, California, taunted Latino students by wearing T-shirts bearing the American flag on Cinco de Mayo, even though administrators had told students beforehand not to wear flag clothing that day, they caused a ruckus, divided a community and reignited the culture wars.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; democrats; dnctv; enemedia; liberalfascism; liberalidiots; liberalmedia; liveoakhighschool; mediabias; turdinpunchbowl
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To: Momto2

The majority of my family (Mom, Dad, aunts, uncles, etc) are all liberals. I just dropped a few of them from my friends list on FaceBook. One of my cousins (she was a teacher in CA for years) has a pictorial shrine to Che hanging on the wall in her hallway. I have nothing in common with any of them and avoid at all costs.

Dad’s ok. He doesn’t get into talking’ politics but my mom is another story....at least she was until she had a stroke 2-1/2 yrs ago. She and I got into a rip-roarin’ argument over the phone about 3 yrs ago.


41 posted on 05/21/2010 1:16:53 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ( I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did. Yogi Berra)
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To: Rebelbase
...even though administrators had told students beforehand not to wear flag clothing that day...
That's a lie. The students were told no such thing.
42 posted on 05/21/2010 1:17:14 PM PDT by Bob
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To: CSM
As I understand it, Cinco de Mayo is a fabricated US holiday that is not celebrated in Mexico!

That's because all the Mexicans are here. :-)

43 posted on 05/21/2010 1:18:12 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Rebelbase

What a complete crock of BS!!!!!!!!! wearing outfits with the American flag on AMERICA is somehow bad? “I’d take a flemthrower to this place!”


44 posted on 05/21/2010 1:19:17 PM PDT by vpintheak (Love of God, Family and Country has made me an extremist.)
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To: Rebelbase

Mr. Navarrette (Hispanic) was recently profiled by Hispanic magazine as one of thirty accomplished young people under thirty.

Mr. Navarrette lives in California's San Joaquin Valley where he is writing his next book, contributing regularly to the Los Angeles Times and other newspapers, and preparing to launch the political newsletter, Reconciliation , which addresses issues of concern to Latinos and the American community.

45 posted on 05/21/2010 1:22:01 PM PDT by kcvl
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He goes wrong immediately in the first sentence. Why was wearing the American flag “taunting” the hyphenated American kids with whom the writer identifies. How can an American flag, displayed in America, be seen as “taunting” anyone.


46 posted on 05/21/2010 1:22:38 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: Rebelbase
Um, Ruben, honey, what you published in your column is NOT what conservatives have been saying about this incident. You might want to actually pay attention to what we say instead of just making stuff up in your head.

Of course, liberals will only "debate" strawmen, because they can't debate a conservative.

47 posted on 05/21/2010 1:23:49 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: reaganairport
WTF....??

Reuben is full of sh**!

The American Flag flies over that frickin' school on May the fifth, and every other day of the year. It's the flag that hangs in the administration office and the classrooms.

This is still the United States of America on May the fifth, and that is an American public school on American soil.

The American flag is not just any symbol, Reuben, -it is THE SYMBOL.

And conservatives have always believed that liberals and multiculturalists should be never be allowed to cast our Stars and Stripes as a symbol of "divisiveness".

Well, Reuben, you are finally displaying your true colors as a closet MeCHISTA.

48 posted on 05/21/2010 1:25:44 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: kcvl
"...which addresses issues of concern to Latinos and the American community."

Hmmmmmm. So there is a difference? I wonder whatever happened to that old "melting pot".

49 posted on 05/21/2010 1:28:50 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Kiss my AZ!!!)
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To: Rebelbase

I had no idea that there was a problem with civil disobedience. The left does not own it, even if they think they do. These petty commutards need some healthy, loud opposition. Perhaps they would better understand their historic uncivil disobedience. A Berkly style riot, complete with burning the administration offices, using foreign flags and presidential effigies for tinder all the while demanding press coverage, amnesty and equality. Just the image and the potential that it could catch on should cause strokes in the media.


50 posted on 05/21/2010 1:32:05 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Rebelbase

Quite a guy.

I got a kick out of his green card story from OHAMA,NE.(sic).


51 posted on 05/21/2010 1:40:19 PM PDT by Mears
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To: MrB
Conservatives take this stance, but have spent the better part of the last three decades asserting -- in legal briefs and oral arguments before the U.S. Supreme Court -- the power of public school administrators to maintain order and prevent disruptive behavior even at the expense of curtailing students' First Amendment rights.

Seems to me that Navarette has hit on the problem right there. Yes, school administrators do have the obligation to "maintain order and prevent disruptive behavior." But in this case, the "disruptive behavior" would be the anticipated assaults on students wearing the American flag. Those acts would be the "disruption," not the wearing of a flag shirt. For a supposed "free speech" advocate to propose the remedy of government censorship is terrible. Contrary to the belief of so many liberals, there is nothing obscene, disruptive, or inappropriate about the US flag. It strikes me as absolutely cowardly for a school administrator to elect to ban the flag, rather than expelling anyone who would assault a student wearing it.

Somehow I suspect that if a homosexual student wanted to wear a pink triangle shirt (or whatever the current symbolism dictates), a principal wouldn't tell him/her to turn it inside out to avoid the threat of violence. Any other student who threatened the gay T-shirt wearer would be disciplined, and Navarette wouldn't be writing an article complaining about "disobedient brats" who elected to cause a disruption by wearing an inflammatory (no pun intended!) shirt.

The situation reminds me of the Muslim cartoons-- much easier just to abandon free speech than to actually defend those who practice it. When threatened with violence, the current liberal response seems to be appeasement, rather than defense of free speech.

52 posted on 05/21/2010 1:40:52 PM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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To: Rebelbase
THAT DOES IT! I have a flag I flew in Iraq and I think I'll put it on a pole and carry it everywhere I go.I've had ENOUGH of this BS.
53 posted on 05/21/2010 1:41:39 PM PDT by Hotmetal (554th Red Horse)
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To: Rebelbase

This thread needs a “steaming turd” alert.


54 posted on 05/21/2010 1:45:02 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: richmwill

“The ruckus ensued when Assistant Principal Miguel Rodriguez — apparently fearing that the boys’ fashion choices might provoke a violent response from Latino students”...

Perhaps Miguel Rodriguez knows that Latinos are prone to violence. Of course, no one can say that, but maybe deep down inside, he KNEW it.


55 posted on 05/21/2010 1:48:12 PM PDT by Sir Clancelot
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To: Rebelbase
even though administrators had told students beforehand not to wear flag clothing that day, they caused a ruckus, divided a community and reignited the culture wars.

"....and lying in your bed, dying, many years from now...would you trade all the days from this day to that for one chance...just ONE chance to say?...they may take our lives but they will never take our Freedom!"

A tad extreme in this case...perhaps. But it is a basic freedom of speech issue. I and every other American is free to wear a tee-shirt, with nothing more than a flag on it, no matter who it p!$$e$ off.

56 posted on 05/21/2010 1:57:45 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (You can only get smarter by engaging a smarter opponent.)
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To: Rebelbase

He’s right about suspending or expelling disruptive students. It’s just that he can’t see who the disruptors are. If there is any violence or argument provoked here, it’s the fault of the treasonous little reconquistadores who want to force the whole school to celebrate another country’s holiday. They are the ones who should be expelled if there is any trouble.

Next they’ll tell us that troublemaking, disruptive white girls who refuse to wear the veil in a school full of Muslim immigrants must be punished for their insensitive provocations.


57 posted on 05/21/2010 2:00:18 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: ohioman
This thread needs a “steaming turd” alert.

How's this?


58 posted on 05/21/2010 2:01:45 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (You can only get smarter by engaging a smarter opponent.)
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To: Rebelbase
Oh brother, this guy is too much!

"When five students at Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, California, taunted Latino students by wearing T-shirts bearing the American flag on Cinco de Mayo,"

-So, wearing a t-shirt that is neither profane nor would otherwise be 'banned' on any other day of the year in that school constitutes a "taunt"? Yeahhhhhh, okay.

"Assistant Principal Miguel Rodriguez -- apparently fearing that the boys' fashion choices might provoke a violent response from Latino students who have developed an emotional attachment to the faux holiday as 'their day'"

-So, isn't the real problem the kids who would act violently, and not the kids wearing the shirts?

"But now several Lincoln East students admit they made and distributed dozens of "green cards," which fans threw onto the field after the game like confetti. Why green cards? Because South's soccer team is mostly Latino."

-That Navaratte equates an ugly act like this with the t-shirt issue (albeit admitting the former is a much worse case), speaks volumes about what a clod this guy is.

59 posted on 05/21/2010 2:04:41 PM PDT by DemforBush (There's another old saying, Senator: Don't p*** down my back and tell me it's raining.)
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To: Puppage

Good one.


60 posted on 05/21/2010 2:05:56 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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