Posted on 05/15/2010 3:23:59 PM PDT by circumbendibus
Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle, a Republican, signed legislation Wednesday that will allow state officials to ignore repeated requests for President Barack Obama’s birth certificate. Why? The state has been overwhelmed with requests for the document — the stack of queries through March measures 13 inches high — and the demand is burning up staff time.
It is amazing that more than a year after the president took office, the “birthers” are still alive and kicking, trying to prove that Obama wasn’t born in the United States and is thus ineligible to be president. Nevermind the proof that he was born in Hawaii, like his Hawaiian birth certificate. Birthers say it’s not the “legitimate” birth certificate, even though Hawaiian officials, including the Republican governor, say it is. The birthers also dismiss the fact that two Honolulu newspapers printed birth announcements shortly after he was born. Anyone, after all, could have submitted those announcements.
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jamese777 has been advised and provided proof on numerous occasions that his statement is true only for BCs issued after HI went electronic in 2001 and that this June 2009 story has been debunked.
HI DOH pointedly confirmed that it has retained all original contemporaneous long forms ever issued after CNN ordered Lou Dobbs to report the same false, misleading claim jamese777 insists on re-posting in FR.
There is an administrative procedure for anyone including Obama to request his/her original pre-2001 long form and to request that it be released to the public as well. This has been posted numerous times.
I’ve seen images of a number of Hawaiian 1961 long-form birth certificates. If you Google, you will find them.
jamese777, you really should learn to use Google.
Here’s one image of a copy of a Hawaiian long form certificate. Note that this is a certified copy:
By the same token, a couple of "nutty birther type" attorney generals, Republicans or Democrats, may subpoena his "documents" and perp-walk him for fraud.
You can also leave the dreaming as well as the prediction to me!
1. Pre-2001 HI natives already have their own long form BCs (and it costs money to request a duplicate to satisfy anti-birthers).
2. It is a bit hard to find an HI native interested in potentially debunking Obama’s HI birth (presumed native-son loyalty). Any FReeper HI native volunteers out there?
3. Why bother to “prove” something that HI DOH says they have retained on record and have a published procedure to obtain.
4. Under what concept of FOI would the state be allowed to prevent you from having access to your own contemporaneous BC that the state has unequivocally affirmed that they have preserved in their vital records repository?
Ping.............
See Seizethecarp #62 and #86
1. Pre-2001 HI natives already have their own long form BCs (and it costs money to request a duplicate to satisfy anti-birthers).
2. It is a bit hard to find an HI native interested in potentially debunking Obama’s HI birth (presumed native-son loyalty). Any FReeper HI native volunteers out there?
3. Why bother to “prove” something that HI DOH says they have retained on record and have a published procedure to obtain.
4. Under what concept of FOI would the state be allowed to prevent you from having access to your own contemporaneous BC that the state has unequivocally affirmed that they have preserved in their vital records repository?
The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
The department only issues ‘certifications’ of live births, and that is the ‘official birth certificate’ issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.
And, it’s only available in electronic form.
Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.
‘At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting,’ she said.
Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.
‘The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests,’ Okubo said.
Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department ‘does not have a short-form or long-form certificate.’
‘The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models,’ she said.”
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html
By the same token, a couple of “nutty birther type” attorney generals, Republicans or Democrats, may subpoena his “documents” and perp-walk him for fraud.
You can also leave the dreaming as well as the prediction to me!
The HDOH still has to give you the complete long-form BC (including the confidential portion) if you specifically ask for it, because that is what their rules authorize.
A person may have to request it as a UIPA request rather than as a request for a certified copy. And it may require multiple appeals in lawsuits to actually get them to follow their rules/laws.
But even if the record is in electronic form, they have to disclose that to a person who specifically requests it, according to the laws and rules.
The fact that what the HDOH says publicly on their website contradicts what their rules say should be a “red flag” to people who value the rule of law. But (sigh) apparently that’s not anybody in Hawaii and precious few in the rest of the states either.
The HDOH claims that they don’t even have a confidential medical portion on their long-form BC’s any more - which violates state law, as I’ve shown them repeatedly. Again.... crickets.
It’s sheer lawlessness.
jamese777, you really should learn to use Google.
Here’s one image of a copy of a Hawaiian long form certificate. Note that this is a certified copy:
Dinodino, you really should learn how to read for comprehension! ;-)
And what about BHO being a citizen of Indonesia? And the fact that he was registered as a foreign student? Who paid for schooling? He went to some grandiose schools that cost a lot of money. Who paid? Why did the powers that be who control the internet take down the Keyes/obama debates where BO states that he is not even an American citizen? Why won’t the American Lame stream media touch the fact that Michelle Obama was the original “birther” where she states that BHO is kenyan and that his home country is Kenya.
Clawing at the bottom of the barrel, aren’t we jamie!
You aren’t worth your wage even if it’s all volunteer on your part.
Look you lying dog, I already showed you how the Hawaii Homelands requested up until 2009 that persons applying with them submit long forms and they were available and are still available. Your baloney as to why haven’t we we seen them is a straw man argument. You think the records are destroyed? Under what proviwsion of law? There is no provision to destroy the records so thus using your argument they are avalable.
Long Forms are available would you care to bet on it, say $100 loser gives to Free Republic? Put up or shut up.
Clawing at the bottom of the barrel, aren’t we jamie!
You aren’t worth your wage even if it’s all volunteer on your part.
And sometimes the very best wine is at the bottom of the oak barrel.
CNN based their false assertions to Lou Dobbs on this story, no doubt, which HI DOH had to correct.
One more time, Okubo is referring to births from 2001 onward only. For births prior to 2001 for which HI DOH has long form in the vital record repository, those long forms can still be obtained. This June 2009 newspaper story clearly is intended to mislead the reader.
re: “a bit hard to find”
I have found it next to impossible to find any electronic archive of the Honolulu Advertiser for the dates mentioned in the 2 obits below.
Publisher: HONOLULU ADVERTISER
Date: 1995 11 17
Page: D6
Title: DUNHAM, STANLEY A; AKA ANN DUNHAM SUTORO
Subjects: OBITUARIES - D
Subjects: OBITUARIES - D
Look you lying dog, I already showed you how the Hawaii Homelands requested up until 2009 that persons applying with them submit long forms and they were available and are still available. Your baloney as to why haven’t we we seen them is a straw man argument. You think the records are destroyed? Under what proviwsion of law? There is no provision to destroy the records so thus using your argument they are avalable.
Long Forms are available would you care to bet on it, say $100 loser gives to Free Republic? Put up or shut up.
However here’s me being a nice guy and looking out for your money: The Hawaiian Homelands program is ONLY for indigenous, native Hawaiians. The state of Hawaii defines a native Hawaiian as “any descendant of not less than one-half part of the blood of the races inhabiting the Hawaiian Islands previous to 1778. This means you must have a blood quantum of at least 50 percent Hawaiian. This requirement remains unchanged since the Hawaiian Homes Commission Act’s passage in 1921.”
Barack Hussein Obama II and a majority of the population of the state of Hawaii are not indigenous, native Hawaiians. You are not claiming that Barack Hussein Obama II should be eligible for the Hawaiian Homelands Progam are you?
Here’s a real life analogy for you, do any other Americans aside from American Indians/Alaskan Natives and Native Hawaiians have to prove their blood quantum levels (percentage of American Indian/Eskimo/Hawaiian blood) in order to qualify to be listed on tribal/native roles?
No, I do not believe that the original records have been destroyed and the state of Hawaii has verified that they are NOT destroyed. Hawaii, like many other states only ISSUES computerized printouts of birth certificates. They no longer process and issue paper certificates. That is not my contention, that is what state officials continually say.
Let me quote for you directly from the Hawaii Department of Homelands:
“PRIMARY DOCUMENTS
Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.
The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth BECAUSE THEY ARE OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT RECORDS DOCUMENTING AN INDIVIDUAL’S BIRTH. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) NO LONGER ISSUES Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH ISSUES A CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH. (Capitalization, mine).
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl
Don’t try to kill the messenger!
Now do you STILL want to waste your money, honey?
The bet is on. You will not be wasting money, Free Republic is a great cause.
Re: the posted article uses “Republican” to describe Lingle twice in the first two paragraphs, as if that designation implies that she can’t possibly be involved in a cover-up of the facts of Obama’s birth.
Lingle worked McCain’s campaign.
The Democrats and Republicans made a deal. That’s why McCain stayed away from all the dirtbags in Obama’s life, and the Democrat’s declared McCain a “natural born” citizen.
Lingle has to cover-up. It’s the deal.
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