Posted on 05/11/2010 12:48:54 AM PDT by Stoat
"In an economy where is is practically impossible to reproduce, men and woman will either frantically mate with as many people as often as possible or give up completely. The desire to have children is at our core. That desire is suppressed at unbearable cost."
That was one, very goofy post.
It is a male pill, the woman holds out for marriage because it will be the only control over sex, left to her.
They get married, the guy stops the pill, then kids. A male pill would return the sex balance between the sexes, back to normalcy, and tradition.
There is a practice of girls to do their dating at clubs that attract young professionals and better income men, the girls date and wait to see which date gets them pregnant, to see what level of the lottery that they won.
Of course this is actually just the way of modern relationships, regardless of income.
The woman still has the eternal sexuality of men within their total control, because that can’t change. What the modern American woman has now though, is total control of our legal system, culture, and social relationships, get pregnant/don’t get pregnant, abort/don’t abort, marry/don’t marry, and money is available to her every step of the way, no matter which decisions she chooses. A woman can measure the financial rewards of any particular bar pick up and mating.
Once men can easily, invisibly, stop pregnancy, then those bars will empty of females, and the dating scene will return to an area of female restraint.
Being able to control when they can impregnate a woman, returns the male to being the true predator of the courting world.
The female sex will never tolerate that, and they will return to the historical strategies, in regaining mastery of that field.
I don't get that, once men can easily control their fertility, then pregnancy outside of marriage would mostly disappear.
It wouldn't take long for females to realize that they have lost all control and influence over sexual activity unless they start rationing their favors, which would return us to more traditional ways of courting, as quality and marriageability of men, would replace the chaos that currently exists.
If you don’t have the population, it becomes impossible to keep the other three.
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You, sir, are a wise man.
But I'm convinced it would not have the good effect you anticipate. It would be more of the same: triflin' men who are no more, spiritually and emotionally, than ill-raised early adolescents: doing porn, jerking off, scoring when they can; women who want babies going to the bargain-begettin'-basement at the Clinic for the requisite sperm inject.
Not the human world we were hoping for.
Vasectomy has been around for decades, surgery is clearly not appealing to single men, the pill is.
The female sex is not programmed to give sex for nothing, once they know that men are bulletproof and untouchable from any legal issues or consequences, then they will want to figure out some way to end that totally one way street.
My guess, is that they will go back to the timeless patterns of history.
I was eleven when I saw her CBS special in 1969. I swear I aged four years on the spot.
You say that "women would want to end that totally one-way street" --- but how would women have the power to do that? If the sterile male can remain sterile as long as he desires, she's out of luck. His choice to make himself sterile will not make him more attachment-oriented, more hubandish (thus she'll be emotionally frustrated), it will not make him more family-building-oriented , more fatherly in character, habit and personality (thus she'll be maternally frustrated) --- and she won't be able to do a dang thing about it.
What in heck could she do?
He'll stay a cripple of a man ---probably go to whores or online porn --- and she'll pursue her career, save her money, buy and furnish a nice little home, and adopt a dear little girl from China.
I assumed your post was a joke, too.
You don’t like the way that dating and single life are today, now imagine that girls lost all control over this modern sexual buffet.
Imagine that suddenly men could take a birth control pill. It wouldn’t take long for girls to realize that they longer controlled pregnancy, and the resulting income and choices.
I think that the dating scene would change, and girls would quit servicing men, females would rediscover the importance of chastity and positioning themselves for winning the marriage competition and forcing men to commit before giving into them sexually.
We are talking about a pill here, the minute a man was not playing the field, he would stop taking the pill.
The pill would not play a role in marriage, but it would sure play a difference in singles bars, the girls would suddenly have to confront the idea that they are there purely for sex, with no chance of a 20 year income.
I don’t think that females are programmed to play the single sex scene with no chance of benefiting from it.
I think that the singles sex scene would dry up from a shortage of females, and that females would start looking at more traditional, more effective, dating strategies.
I don’t know why you are hostile, are you always angry?, but men do have risk of pregnancy from sex, it is men that don’t know what those consequences will be until the government and the female decide what they are, but it can mean losing their child to abortion, or 20 years of support, or a pay off of millions for the female.
I think it makes sense because the pill is the only one in the list that changes fundamental human nature.
How odd. Practically the exact same post was exchanged - you to me, me to you - but you perceive mine as hostile and angry, while I perceived yours as mildly amusing.
You have to look at things economically. There is a set supply and demand that naturally occurs, then when you introduce birth control, you only change one of the factors. You still have a woman wanting to nurture and rear a child, and her desire for a strong man who is capable of providing, but you have removed the price restriction on sex, and now it's cheap, and untied from childbearing.
The result is an imbalance of factors that are further imbalanced by government programs looking to put a band-aid on the problem (subsidizing single motherhood). I heard that we doubled the percentage of out of wedlock births in the last 15 years even while teen birth rates are down.
It could be argued that way. I myself see the pill as cause too for no fault divorce. No fault divorce was simply a product created to meet the demand created by the increased sex commodity due to no consequences.
Marriage was always celebrated and given benefit by society because of the new life -children that would result.
Marriage, children, families, and life -all these things suffer because of contraception...
This seems to me to be a very jaded view of male-female relationships.
It seems to me that it is from a very narrow point of view as well.
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