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To: lucysmom

The HDOH has admitted - several times and repeatedly - that Obama’s BC is amended.

And the prima facie statement only says that it is prima facie evidence of birth. The very fact that Obama is alive is evidence of birth.

As far as I can tell from the HDOH, they make no distinction in their index record reporting and the prima facie note on the COLB between certificates that mean something legally and those which are mere hearsay. That’s why all Obama and the HDOH will allow is index data. I asked to see the delayed birth index data for Obama. They refused. I asked to see the “pending” birth index for Obama. They refused.

So the only way to know the legal status of the BC’s they have index data for is to see a non-certified abbreviated certificate (COLB) - which the rules say anyone can receive. The legal status of the BC is not supposed to be secret at all.

But of course, the HDOH refuses to follow their rules and send me a non-certified abbreviated copy for Obama so I can see the legal status (which would be only shown by the presence or absence of the note of either alteration or late filing - both of which should be on Obama’s BC, both of which render the BC legally non-conclusive, and both of which are missing from the Factcheck COLB). Mere index data tells us nothing about the evidentiary and/or legal status of what Hawaii has.


94 posted on 05/08/2010 8:48:44 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
I asked to see the delayed birth index data for Obama. They refused. I asked to see the “pending” birth index for Obama. They refused.

Perhaps they can't show it to you because it doesn't exist?

But of course, the HDOH refuses to follow their rules and send me a non-certified abbreviated copy for Obama so I can see the legal status...

Has anyone tried to get a non-certified abbreviated copy of another Hawaiian's birth certificate just to prove that it can be done?

97 posted on 05/08/2010 8:59:48 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: butterdezillion
The HDOH has admitted - several times and repeatedly - that Obama’s BC is amended.

Exactly what were the statements?

98 posted on 05/08/2010 9:01:24 AM PDT by lucysmom
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