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To: butterdezillion
I asked to see the delayed birth index data for Obama. They refused. I asked to see the “pending” birth index for Obama. They refused.

Perhaps they can't show it to you because it doesn't exist?

But of course, the HDOH refuses to follow their rules and send me a non-certified abbreviated copy for Obama so I can see the legal status...

Has anyone tried to get a non-certified abbreviated copy of another Hawaiian's birth certificate just to prove that it can be done?

97 posted on 05/08/2010 8:59:48 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom

It’s possible that the record doesn’t exist. But their response was that they cannot tell me whether it exists.

I have tried to get other non-certified abbreviated certificates and they won’t give anything. They keep saying that HRS 338-18 forbids it.

But the only certificates forbidden for release to anybody are CERTIFIED copies. HRS 338-18a forbids the release of any INFORMATION that is on a birth certificate EXCEPT as authorized by statute or rules. Because the rules authorize the release of non-certified abbreviated copies, HRS 338-18a never even applies to them. It does, however, apply to public statements such as Fukino’s, which violated HRS 338-18a.

HRS 338-18a requires them to release documents and forbids them to make announcements. So the HDOH makes announcements and refuses to release documents.

I asked the OIP whether the HDOH response was correct. I was told that the OIP lets the HDOH decide what the laws and rules mean. So much for the OIP being the watchdog for government transparency.... That is the entire function for the OIP to even exist - to interpret the law and force each department to comply with it.

And that is why I am so adamant that what we have is really the failure of the rule of law. To me this is WAY beyond just Obama. It is a whole system of lawlessness at the most basic, far-reaching levels of government.


106 posted on 05/08/2010 9:17:01 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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