Posted on 05/04/2010 12:01:07 PM PDT by Colofornian
PROVO -- A Provo man was booked into jail Sunday on charges of exploiting an elderly adult.
Donald Roy Savage, 56, is charged with exploiting an elderly adult with intent to profit, a 2nd-degree felony, according to 4th District Court documents. Savage is known as a political gadfly and has been involved with local political campaigns. He lists estate planning as his occupation on his Twitter account.
Savage became acquainted with a 74-year-old woman at a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints singles dance more than a year ago, and soon after began charging thousands of dollars in personal expenses to her credit card, said Lt. Arnold Lemmon of the Brigham Young University Police Department.
"His [modus operandi] is through the church; he met her at the LDS singles dance, groomed her, befriended her -- all under the color of religion," Lemmon said.
The situation started out very innocently in the victim's eyes, Lemmon said, with Savage borrowing her card with excuses that he was in between jobs, or "had a check coming." These expenses included groceries, gas and car repairs.
The victim's boiling point was reached when $3,600 in BYU football tickets were charged to her card, Lemmon said. This included a membership in the BYU Cougar Club, a tickets package that provides high-priority seating, gifts and parking passes to those who pay yearly dues, which run from $50 to $1,000, depending on the level.
The victim demanded her card back, and he refused in a "smooth way," he said.
"He was still playing the religion card," Lemmon said. "She finally said, 'Enough is enough.' "
The victim called the BYU ticket office and refused payment, he said, at which point the ticket office informed BYU police. Upon discovering that more than $20,000 in charges to the woman's card (including an iPhone) were racked up over the course of eight months, the county attorney opted for an elderly abuse charge, filing it April 8, Lemmon said.
Savage's source of income was "sporadic" over the course of the year, Lemmon said, but he wasn't trying to sell the tickets for money.
"I guess it was to invite a group of people -- 'Come to a game on me,' " he said.
According to court documents, the incident happened in May 2009, and Savage is set to make his first court date appearance on Wednesday.
I don't have to be, nor wannabe. (But I can still be a witness and present evidence when prompted by The Advocate).
Saundra, when you say these things, of course, you make it want to sound so biblical. And perhaps, because of your Christian background, you indeed may view things biblically as distinct from other Mormons. (I don't know).
But your bare bones presentation of a skeletal view of Mormonism doesn't pass the post-mortem autopsy of MormonISM. What do I mean? Well, lurkers, I challenge you to compare how Saundra "sounds" Christianese, but a quick check underneath the hood of Mormonism and its leaders makes me wonder why Saundra has been dieting off of Mormon "meat"???
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If believing in the Atonement of Jesus Christ is spiritual fraud I am guilty as charged.
It may be regarded as the Mormon contribution to views of the Atonement of Christ, for it is to be found no where else except in Mormon literature. The perfect relationship between the atoning grace of Christ and the obedient efforts of making is powerfully stated by Nephi: We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do (2 Nephi 25:23). (BYU professor Clyde J. Williams, Plain and Precious Truths Restored, Ensign, Oct. 2006, p. 53)
This is the Mormon false gospel version of atonement where they say: Hey, do ALL you can do physically, spiritually, morally, emotionally, etc. And, after you can genuinely tell us, with having a sincere heart, with real intent, that youve done 100% possibly ALL YOU CAN DO in EVERY aspect of life, THEN, and only THEN, will Gods grace kick in for you If you cant say ALL in the ALL you can do, youve aborted the entire verse and premise of Gods grace kicking in, Mormon style!
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If believing in the Gospel of Jesus Christ is spiritual fraud I am guilty as charged.
Those who have been decent and upright and who have lived respectable and good lives will go to a terrestrial kingdom whose glory is as the moon (Spencer W. Kimball, Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Spencer W. Kimball, p. 8)
What? This is the Mormon gospel??? To teach to the world, Hey, just be decent and upright respectable. And hey, youre glory-bound! (This is an utterly false gospel)
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If believing that the Holy Ghost ever lives to help us draw closer to Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ is spiritual fraud I am guilty as charged.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that the Holy Ghost is a spirit man (Encyclopedia of Mormonism, vol. 2, p. 649)
What? Why does the Lds Church try to reduce not the only the Father, but the Holy Ghost to define Him in terms of a mere man??? (No, SD, the Holy Ghost is not a spirit man!)
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If believing in the Bible is spiritual fraud I am guilty as charged.
By faulty transmission, many plain and precious things were taken away or kept back from reaching what later composed our precious Holy Bible (Neal A. Maxwell, The Wondrous Restoration, Ensign, April 2003, p. 35)
(Yeah, SD, what an impeccable presentation Mormons tend to make of the Bible to the world!)
There are many things in the Bible which do not, as they now stand, accord with the revelations of the Holy Ghost to me (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 310)
This quote from Smith prompts me to ask you: Why is the Bible then run ONLY thru the filter of Joseph Smith? What? He is your personal holy ghost?
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If sending Missionaries all over the world to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ is spiritual fraud my Church is guilty as charged.
Brigham Young: We have at times sent men on missions to get rid of them; but they have generally come back. Some think it is an imposition upon the world to send such men among them. But which is best to keep them here to pollute others, or to send them where pollution is more prevalent? Ten filthy sheep in a flock of a thousand will so besmear the whole, that, to the eye of a stranger, they all appear to be worthless, when nine hundred and ninety of them are as good as can be, but for the outside smearing by the ten filthy ones. We have tried to turn the filthy ones out of the flock, but they will not always stay out. A few such defile, to outward appearance, the whole flock; and we have it to bear. (April 7, 1860, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, pp. 228-229)
(Wow, Saundra, what a stellar description of why Mormons were turning out some of their missionaries in the 1850s!!!)
Utah Valley State College (UVSC) in Orem is about 90 percent LDS and male students who dont go on their missions are often treated with suspicion and disdain. Says Brian Birch, associate director for religious studies at the school, who himself served an LDS mission. The social penalty is so great, in many cases, that one cannot ignore the importance of this in the decision-making process (Say No to the Mission Call and the Pressure Builds, Salt Lake Trib, March 10, 2001)
So, how many of these young men and women go primarily due to peer pressure?
If believing in the Atonement of Jesus Christ is spiritual fraud I am guilty as charged.
It may be regarded as the Mormon contribution to views of the Atonement of Christ, for it is to be found no where else except in Mormon literature. The perfect relationship between the atoning grace of Christ and the obedient efforts of making is powerfully stated by Nephi: We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do (2 Nephi 25:23). (BYU professor Clyde J. Williams, Plain and Precious Truths Restored, Ensign, Oct. 2006, p. 53)
This is the Mormon false gospel version of atonement where they say: Hey, do ALL you can do physically, spiritually, morally, emotionally, etc. And, after you can genuinely tell us, with having a sincere heart, with real intent, that youve done 100% possibly ALL YOU CAN DO in EVERY aspect of life, THEN, and only THEN, will Gods grace kick in for you If you cant say ALL in the ALL you can do, youve aborted the entire verse and premise of Gods grace kicking in, Mormon style!
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Moroni 10
Moronis words speak from the dustCome unto Christ, be perfected in him, and sanctify your souls.
32 Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God.
33 And again, if ye by the grace of God are perfect in Christ, and deny not his power, then are ye sanctified in Christ by the grace of God, through the shedding of the blood of Christ, which is in the covenant of the Father unto the remission of your sins, that ye become holy, without spot.
34 And now I bid unto all, farewell. I soon go to rest in the paradise of God, until my spirit and body shall again reunite, and I am brought forth triumphant through the air, to meet you before the pleasing bar of the great Jehovah, the Eternal Judge of both quick and dead. Amen.
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Colofornian, Stop trying to spin about things you do not understand!
This is the Lord’s Church and the restoration of all things!
Restoration mean to restore things that once were removed!
Arent you the one condemning Mormons to hell?
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That would be Jesus...
GF is busy warning mormons away from hell...
roof ???
well said, well delivered and well deserved.
The Jesus Christ I worship does not condemn me
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Then I’d drop him like a hot scone anjd find the REAL one if i were you...
The one who has the power and authority to judge...
Oh, wait . . . you are not the judge.
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Nor are you...
and nor is that son of perdition, Joey Smith...
Good point. I consider this type to be close taliban thinking.
If sending Missionaries all over the world to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ is spiritual fraud my Church is guilty as charged.
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When are they goiunbg to start doing that ???
Right now the mormon corporation “sends missionaries all over the world to spread the mormon religion and tell Christians they are going to Hell...
Yeppers the mormon corporation isd gulity as charged of spirtiual fruad and using the name of Jesus chrsitri to fill theor coffers...
The mormons found that Christianity can be a very profitable business...
If believing that clergy should not be paid a salary is spiritual fraud I am guilty as charged.
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If believing that mormon CEOs should not be paid a salary is spiritual fraud I am guilty as charged.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
I need another cuppa coffee..
Yeppers the mormon corporation is gulity as charged of spirtiual fraud and using the name of Jesus Christ to fill their coffers...
If believing in the Bible is spiritual fraud I am guilty as charged.
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Dont worry...
You wont be convicted on this one...
If believing in the Atonement of Jesus Christ is spiritual fraud I am guilty as charged.
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Nobody here accused you of not believing that the mormon jesus sweated in the Garden of Gethsemane to “atone” for the mormons...
we’ve just been telling you that the REAL Jesus shed His blood on the Cross and died omn the Cross to save everyone...
No work of salvation was done by the Jesus of the Chrsitian bible in the Garden of Gethsemane...
It was all done at Calvary...
Youre free to believe that giant salamanders live on the moon and bray at the Earth on Festivus Night for your atonement....
But it doesnt make it connected to Chrsitianity just because joey Smith or you says it is..
Thefre is only one way to God and that ois through Jesus Christ, the Second person of the Trinity..
Joey Smith has nothing to do with our salvation...
Once again...
Jesus said to Saundra Duffy, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man or woman comes to the father, except by ME.” Jophn 14:6
Well I have more roses to transplant so I’ll see ya later...
Find yerself a ladder while I’m gone...
Mindreading,
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Really ???
So I was right eh ???
I wonder why we bother to take the Sacrament every Sunday.
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I wonder that myself...
the word “sacrament” is not in the King James version of the Christian Bible...the word “mystery” is used...
However it is in the Catholic Vulgate..
and it is in the Douay-Rheims Bible..
This is a great sacrament; but I speak in Christ and in the church. Ephesians 5:32
However that scripture is about marriage...
Do you get married every Sunday ???
PING to #47 and #78
Maybe you can clear up a “mystery” for Sandy...
From the original Greek...
“Do you get married every Sunday ???”
No, but we take the Sacrament (communion) every Sunday. This is especially important for me to take the Sacrament so that I can rid my soul of one dark spot - the spot that wants to pound you anti Mormons over the head.
P.S. Jesus died for Mormons, too.
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