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Greeks face tax, pensions and pay misery in austerity plan
The Times(UK) ^ | 04/30/10 | Emily Ford

Posted on 04/30/2010 8:04:07 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

April 30, 2010

Greeks face tax, pensions and pay misery in austerity plan

Emily Ford

An increase in the retirement age from an average ago of 53 to 67, a three-year wage freeze and cuts in public sector pay are understood to be among the austerity measures agreed to by the Greek Government in exchange for a €24 billion (£21 billion) rescue package.

The measures include severe cuts in Civil Service wages, with public servants losing their “13th and 14th” months’ salary and pension entitlements, a reduction of state benefits and tax increases on alcohol and tobacco to help cut the deficit.

Final details were still being decided last night with officials from the International Monetary Fund, the European Commission, and the European Central Bank. A final draft should be ready for approval by the Greek Parliament next week.

(Excerpt) Read more at business.timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: austerity; bailout; failedstates; greece; paythepiper; socialism
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1 posted on 04/30/2010 8:04:08 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; PAR35; AndyJackson; Thane_Banquo; nicksaunt; MadLibDisease; happygrl; ...

P!


2 posted on 04/30/2010 8:04:33 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

There will be riots.


3 posted on 04/30/2010 8:05:57 AM PDT by henkster (A broken government does not merit full faith and credit.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Bwwaaaahahahahaha. Just gotta love it when reality bites the socialists moochers, looters and loafers in the ass. It warms my capitalist heart.


4 posted on 04/30/2010 8:06:16 AM PDT by farlander (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: henkster
"There will be riots."

Oh yes, the government will fall.

5 posted on 04/30/2010 8:07:30 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Ah, Greece...your first clue to an unsustainable welfare state may have been the average retirement age at 53! OMG.


6 posted on 04/30/2010 8:09:05 AM PDT by americanophile (DeMint/Ryan '12)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The measures include severe cuts in Civil Service wages, with public servants losing their “13th and 14th” months’ salary and pension entitlements...

Aha, this proves it can be done. California here it comes...

7 posted on 04/30/2010 8:10:40 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: americanophile

Higher tax on Ouzo ?
Say it’s not so...


8 posted on 04/30/2010 8:13:02 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Ah...but the weather is nice and the scenery is great so living on a $3 a month pension won’t be so bad. Really.


9 posted on 04/30/2010 8:21:46 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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>>”There will be riots.”

Oh yes, the government will fall.<<

Yep. It’s kinda funny how it works. One of the reasons I chose to buy the small farm in central Kentucky was that I realized that when (not if) this thing gets bad, the government is gonna have to do some incredibly unpopular things as their “death thros”. Urban areas will explode. Think of the Rodney King riots only significantly more intense, and in many if not ALL major cities.

Those on farms, etc. will be mostly concerned with protecting their property And in most cases that will not be an issue. I suspect most of Montana and North Dakota will be pretty boring during all this.

But People will be pretty desperate in the cities. It is rooted in several things, but here are two:

1. The government MUST increase tax revenue, but increasing taxes, when they are already above the “sweet spot” will actually DECREASE tax revenue.
2. They will HAVE TO cut services and lay off government workers, because there is simply no money to pay them. Those with the “Greek” sense of entitlement will hit the streets. This includes anyone receiving money directly from the government, be it employees or people on welfare, unemployment, etc.

I don’t know how bad it will be, but it could be really bad. This has been festering for almost a century. Remember, during the Great Depression there was no national debt, and the average citizen had net worth, not net debt.

This time it will be very different. How different is a matter of speculation, but I expect we will find out soon enough.

Meanwhile, this cracked me up. At least we still have plenty of cool aid:

Consumer rebound gives economy solid boost in Q1
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100430/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/us_economy


10 posted on 04/30/2010 8:22:00 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Times do get tough when you get rooked by the financial wizards.


11 posted on 04/30/2010 8:27:39 AM PDT by Wolfie
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All these should be done, but not in 2-3 years. Going from retiring at 53 to 67 in a short time (while increasing taxes and cutting your children's salary) is just asking for a civil war. Solution: hang every socialist leader that served for the last 30 years to get the anger out and take it from there. Papandreous's grandfather and father had the same job he now has.

Methinks that EU opted to pay for blue helmets instead of continuous welfare.

12 posted on 04/30/2010 8:27:44 AM PDT by mainsail that
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Typical - a Socialist government spends peoples money like water, get into trouble then want the people to suffer more under their austerity programs?


13 posted on 04/30/2010 8:34:46 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Those That Turn Their Swords into Plows Will Plow For Those That Don't.)
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To: RobRoy

I think it is still possible to avoid wide spread violence here in the USA if we can elect the right people next nov. Cali is toast and maybe NY too. I am hopeful Texas can avoid the worst. I will be watching Greece closely cause that might be us in a few years.


14 posted on 04/30/2010 8:37:05 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: RobRoy

You forgot one other very large group that will be effected: Those who are nominally in the private sector but rely upon government contracts, federal state and local, for a significant chunk of their income. Engineering and design firms, paving contractors, civil construction, defense contractors, etc.... And don’t forget Government Motors and 0bama Motors. Right now, government purchase of motor vehicles is all that’s keeping the corpse of 0bama Motors going. I know; because the feds offer a “grant” or kickback to local municipalities to buy their police cruisers and other police vehicles from 0bama Motors. It makes them the low bidder and they get the purchase. Our police department’s 2010 fleet are all Dodge Magnums.

Wait till that all implodes and the mess gets bigger.


15 posted on 04/30/2010 8:38:37 AM PDT by henkster (A broken government does not merit full faith and credit.)
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To: mainsail that

“All these should be done, but not in 2-3 years. Going from retiring at 53 to 67 in a short time (while increasing taxes and cutting your children’s salary) is just asking for a civil war.”

Asking other countries to pay for your early retirement when they work until 67 is a sure way not to get them to give you the money you want.

They need to suck it up, or just have the civil war now, before you take other people’s money.


16 posted on 04/30/2010 8:39:43 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: americanophile

Yes quite a generous package. Retire at 53, receive a 13th and 14th monthly paycheck.


17 posted on 04/30/2010 8:46:09 AM PDT by baltoga
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To: RFEngineer

They are still taking other people’s money, $160 Billion or $16K for each person over 2-3 years, to be exact. All these draconian cuts are just to bring the deficit down to 3% while others pay their bonds.

I am with you, but merely hinting at will keep CNN busy for a while. What’s the stock symbol for Taser :)


18 posted on 04/30/2010 8:48:37 AM PDT by mainsail that
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Where do I get one of those 14 month calendars?

And do Marxuary and Leninember both have 31 days in them?


19 posted on 04/30/2010 9:01:03 AM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: americanophile

Not only that! Government pensions for the unmarried daughters of government workers!


20 posted on 04/30/2010 9:01:59 AM PDT by Moltke (DOPE will get you 4 to 8 in the Big House - HOPE will get you 4 to 8 in the White House.)
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