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Voters Do Not Want the VAT
Humanevents.com ^ | April 29, 2010 | Matt Hadro

Posted on 04/29/2010 4:11:30 AM PDT by Man50D

As the Obama Administration continues to float the possibility of enacting a Value Added Tax (VAT) as a solution to the growing deficit problem, polls show that such a national sales tax is widely unpopular with the American people.

According to a Rasmussen poll, 60% of likely voters are against a VAT if it is simply a way to raise revenue for the government, with only 20% favoring a VAT to raise money for Uncle Sam.

If the VAT is used to pay specifically for healthcare, the numbers improve swith 51% of voters nationwide still opposing a national sales tax and 37% favoring the implementation of a VAT to pay for healthcare, said the poll from March 30.

The Senate also recently went on record opposing the VAT in a nonbinding “sense of the Senate” resolution.

The Senate voted 85-13 in favor of the resolution, which says that the VAT is “a massive tax increase that will cripple families on fixed income and only further push back America’s economic recovery.”

Sen. John McCain (R.-Ariz.), who sponsored the resolution, said on the Senate floor: “The solution to America's worsening government fiscal outlook is not to increase taxes, it is to cut spending. Congress could get America's economy back on track by focusing on tax relief and simplification, liability reform, regulatory reform, health care security and energy independence, not on imposing a new massive tax increase that will cripple middle- and low-income families and delay America's economic recovery.”

Speculation about the possible implementation of a VAT has increased in recent weeks, first with White House economic advisor Paul Volcker suggesting a VAT on April 6, followed by President Obama leaving open the possibility of such a tax on an interview with CNBC last week.

Volcker suggested that a VAT could be an effective way to help control the rising deficit, but the Obama Administration backed away from his comments and said that a VAT was “not under consideration.”

However, Obama would not leave out the possibility of a VAT becoming reality. In his April 21 appearance on CNBC, he said: “I want to get a better picture of what our options are,” he said after noting that the VAT has been effective for some countries.

On Sunday, the co-chair of Obama’s debt commission, former Sen. Alan Simpson (R.-Wyo.), told Fox News that President Obama instructed him to have everything on the table—to consider anything that could be done to reduce the federal deficit.

This would include new taxes, including the value added tax.

“I think there are many good arguments that you can make for a value added tax or a consumption tax, as opposed to a tax on wages,” Simpson told Fox News. However, he also addressed having both the income tax and the VAT.

“You can’t have a VAT tax, and then leave the present [income tax] structure,” Simpson noted.

The commission, led by Simpson and former Clinton White House Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles, held its first meeting Monday. The commission includes six members appointed by the White House and 12 lawmakers appointed by congressional leadership of each party. At least two congressional Republicans would have to sign on to any proposal in order for the commission to adopt it.

Last Thursday, Vice-President Joe Biden then told ABC’s “The View” that Obama “said he was open to listening,” and “has said everything’s on the table.” However, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs than deflated the whole speculation on Thursday. “Just to be clear, no VAT tax,” he told reporters on Air Force One.

According to the March 30 Rasmussen poll, 60% of voters believe that tax increases harm the economy.

However, voters are much more supportive of the VAT if it will be used in place of the national income tax. 47% of voters support the use of the VAT in place of the income tax, and only 30% are opposed to the idea.

The Heritage Foundation describes the VAT, already used in the European Union, as “similar to a national retail sales tax but is collected at every stage of business production until its entire burden ultimately falls on the consumer.”

Former Sen. Pete DuPont (R.-Del.) wrote in the Wall Street Journal about the impact the VAT has had on European economies.

“The VAT has been in use in the European countries since the late 1960s, and has had a strong, negative economic influence.” DuPont said. “Before the European VATs were put into effect, the average EU tax burden was 28% of gross domestic product, compared with the 25% in the U.S. By 2006 with the VATs EU average tax burden was 40% compared with 28% in America.”

DuPont continued: “Average European government spending was about 30% of GDP when the VATs were instituted in the late 1960s. Fast forward to today, and we see European government spending has grown more than 50% and now hits 47% of GDP. And European government debt in 2005 was 50% of GDP, compared with under 40% in America.”

Imposing a VAT on America would violate Obama’s campaign promise that no family making less than $250,000 per year would see “any form of tax increase.”

Americans for Tax Reform said, “Obama’s VAT admission may explain his recent attempts to alter the terms of his central campaign promise. Twice in the past two weeks, Obama has claimed his middle-class tax pledge only applied to income taxes rather than ‘any form of taxes.’”

In his April 10, weekly radio address, Obama said: “And one thing we have not done is raise income taxes on families making less than $250,000. That’s another promise we’ve kept.”

During the presidential campaign, Obama said: “I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”


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A VAT, even if used to replace the federal income tax, will still tax people multiple times by imposing a tax at each stage of production. That scenario is highly doubtful.

The far better national sales tax is The Fair Tax Act(HR25/S296) The Fair Tax is a solution that has been before each session of Congress since 1999 and already has 66 cosponsors. It is specifically written to replace all federal income taxes with a national sales by imposing the tax only once, at the point of sale and abolish the IRS! It's time to demand Congress pass what has been before them for years!
1 posted on 04/29/2010 4:11:30 AM PDT by Man50D
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2 posted on 04/29/2010 4:12:29 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Man50D

Voters didn’t want national socialist health care either. :(


3 posted on 04/29/2010 4:13:36 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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Voters didn’t want national socialist health care either. :(

Obamacare is unconstitutional. The people are not bound by an unconstitutional act. The people are the government, not Congress, The White House or SCOTUS. The people have the final say as to how they are governed.
4 posted on 04/29/2010 4:17:20 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Man50D

The maoist uses these poll numbers to choose which nightmare he’s going to inflict on us next.

If it appears we want something you can count on it being ignored in favor the most horrific actions he can inflict on America.


5 posted on 04/29/2010 4:24:09 AM PDT by Carley (I'll keep clinging to the constitution, my guns and my religion, thank you.)
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To: Man50D
Voters Do Not Want the VAT

TOUGH .. Your gonna get it anyway!

(I just couldn't bring myself to put sarc tags into my reply)

6 posted on 04/29/2010 4:32:10 AM PDT by plinyelder ("I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Man50D
If the VAT is used to pay specifically for healthcare, the numbers improve swith 51% of voters nationwide still opposing a national sales tax...

Voters swayed by that nonsense need to learn what happens to the money specifically collected to fund social security and the highway fund.

We are dealing with incurable, shameless liars and deceivers on all these issues.

7 posted on 04/29/2010 4:32:24 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

What happened to that promise that only the “rich” will have to pay taxes to support health care?

Anyone who believed that — I have some prime swamp land to sell you.


8 posted on 04/29/2010 4:34:58 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy

Hopefully a vat tax may spark something even bigger than the tea parties.


9 posted on 04/29/2010 4:40:18 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: Will88

We truly have become a nation undeserving of freedom if we accept this crap.


10 posted on 04/29/2010 4:45:27 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: fatnotlazy
What happened to that promise that only the “rich” will have to pay taxes to support health care?

That's most likely how a VAT will be implemented. It will have exemptions and deductions for the "poor", who ware the vast majority of 0bama supporters.

11 posted on 04/29/2010 4:48:51 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Man50D

Don’t matter what the voters want.
Obammy knows what is best.
And remember what Hillary said,”we are going to take your money to use for things we see as necessary”.
Just shut up and pay the money, fools.
And you racists better go out and support obammy in the future too.


12 posted on 04/29/2010 5:04:53 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (Just say NO to RINOs. (FUBO))
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To: Man50D

Yup, The Whores on The Hill want more tax money to make goobermint bigger. In the mean time, Rome is burning.


13 posted on 04/29/2010 5:38:48 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Man50D
voter's don't want the VAT -

which is a pretty good litmus test to what we're going to get shoved down our throat

Obyummer is King. He and his court now rule - by-passing Congress, sneering at the PEOPLE.

None dare call it a coup.

14 posted on 04/29/2010 7:19:30 AM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: Man50D
Hopefully, this regimes push to Totalitarianism will be the ultimate push for the FAIR TAX and the end of the IRS - which they are increasing - their Gestapo arm backed up with their “National Police Force” -

Hopefully, there will soon be that one straw too many, and hopefully, we will be able to stop this gang of thugs.

the FAIR TAX and the end of the IRS would give us the original freedoms laid down by our Founding Fathers - something we have never fully had in our life times.

The FAIR TAX and the end of the IRS would neuter Socialism/Marxism/Muslims for so long, the present day practitioners would be long gone, the new generations would not be steeped in it and it would take another 200 years before it get it's foot in the door. (Time for another gen-ration to fight for the Freedoms.)

15 posted on 04/29/2010 7:28:17 AM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: pnh102

Nor more taxes

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2478380/posts

http://www.gop.gov/blog/10/04/08/obamacare-flatlines-obamacare-taxes-home

http://www.cprights.org/2010/04/obamacare-taxes-home-sales.php

http://localhealthguideonline.com/view-obamacare-taxes-now-services-later/


16 posted on 04/29/2010 7:37:27 AM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, retired Military, disabled & Seniors)
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To: fatnotlazy

So far, I haven’t gotten a reasonable (or any) response from any liberal about why 0bama said we wouldn’t see ANY of our taxes increase if we make less than $250k,
and how that conflicts with the present reality.


17 posted on 04/29/2010 7:39:05 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Man50D

Government of Obama, by Obama, for Obama


18 posted on 04/29/2010 7:42:45 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Free the last Navy Seal)
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To: MrB

The only explanations I’ve heard are: (1) the tax will be temporary (yeah, right); and (2) it will replace certain taxes such as federal income tax (yeah, right again).

Obama counts on his true believers to believe his lies over and over again. They must all like the taste of snake oil because they continue to swallow it again and again.


19 posted on 04/29/2010 7:55:41 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy

To criticize him would be to attack their own sense of self worth - they have a lot of self worth and moral superiority wrapped up in supporting the “first black president”.


20 posted on 04/29/2010 8:06:23 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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