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Precedent for using US military to secure our borders? (Vanity)
Mr. Hoosier_RW_Conspirator | Mr. Hoosier_RW_Conspirator

Posted on 04/28/2010 5:03:30 PM PDT by hoosier_RW_conspirator

The recent murder of an Arizona rancher has spurred debate over whether US Troops can be deployed along the US - Mexican border to stop the flow of illegal aliens and drug smugglers into the United States. Arguments are made that the military cannot be used to patrol the border ... that this is a matter of law enforcement. However, it was one of the fathers of the progressive movement that did just that in April 1915 ... 95 years ago.

Doroteo Arango, alias Francisco “Pancho” Villa, was born in 1877 (1879 according to some sources) in San Juan del Rio, State of Durango, Mexico. During his lifetime, he was a ruthless killer (killing his first man at age sixteen), a notorious bandit (including cattle rustling and bank robbery), a revolutionary (a general commanding a division in the resistance against the 1913-14 Victoriano Huerta dictatorship), and despite his bloodthirsty nature, an enduring hero to the poor people of Mexico. In their minds, Villa was afraid of no one, not the Mexican government or the gringos from the United States. He was their one true friend and avenger for decades of Yankee oppression.

In late 1915 Pancho Villa had counted on American support to obtain the presidency of Mexico. Instead the U.S. Government recognized the new government of Venustiano Carranza. An irate Villa swore revenge against the United States.and began by murdering Americans in hopes of provoking President Woodrow Wilson’s intervention into Mexico. Villa believed that American intervention would discredit the Carranza government with the people of Mexico and reaffirm his own popularity.

Villa and his pistoleros launched raids along the U.S.- Mexico boundary to frighten the Americans living in Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona border towns. Concerned for the safety of Americans, President Wilson ordered the War Department to begin deploying troops to Texas and New Mexico. In April 1915, Brigadier General John J. Pershing and his 8th Infantry Brigade were sent to Fort Bliss, Texas with the mission of guarding the U.S.- Mexico border from Arizona to a bleak outpost in the Sierra Blanca Mountains ninety miles southeast of El Paso.

While the presence of American troops served to deter Villa on the north of the Rio Grande, the murder of U.S. citizens in Mexico continued. One of the most heinous atrocities occurred January 11, 1916, when Villa’s bandits stopped a train at Santa Ysabel. The bandits removed a group of 17 Texas business men (mining engineers) invited by the Mexican government to reopen the Cusihuiriachic mines below Chihuahua City and executed them in cold blood. However, one of those shot feigned death and rolled down the side of the embankment and, crawling away into a patch of brown mesquite bushes, escaped. The train moved on, leaving the corpses at the mercy of the slayers, who stripped and mutilated them. After the escapee arrived back at Chihuahua City, a special train sped to Santa Ysabel to reclaim the bodies. When the people of El Paso heard of the massacre, they went wild with anger. El Paso was immediately placed under martial law to prevent irate Texans from crossing into Mexico at Juarez to wreak vengeance on innocent Mexicans.

Despite outrage in the United States and Washington over the Santa Ysabel massacre, President Wilson refused to intervene and send troops into Mexico. Two months later, Villa decided to strike again. This time he would invade the United States. At 2:30 a.m., on the morning of March 9, 1916, he and 500 Villistas attacked the 13th U.S. Cavalry at Camp Furlong near Columbus, New Mexico. Despite prior knowledge that Villa and his men were pillaging, raping, and murdering their way toward the border, the cavalry was caught completely by surprise. One reason for the cavalry’s sluggishness was because all of the troops’ rifles were chained and locked in gun racks. Still, the cavalry managed to get organized and fought off the Villistas killing many of them in the process. During their retreat, however, the Villistas stopped at Columbus, New Mexico for a looting and window-shooting spree that left several U.S. civilians dead. For three hours, bullets struck houses and shouts of "Viva Villa! Viva Mexico! Muerte a los Americanos! (death to Americans)" were heard in the streets. The town was set afire, though Villa’s men realized nothing beyond a few dollars and perhaps some merchandise from the burnt-out stores. The terror continued until about 7 a.m., and when Villa finally rode off, the smoke-filled streets of Columbus were littered with the dead and wounded. Fourteen American soldiers and ten civilians were killed in the raid.

Although Villa’s losses from his American incursion were high, he had achieved his aim of arousing the United States. Now, he and his men headed due south from Palomas seeking the safety of the mountains of the Sierra Madre. However, the 13th U.S. Cavalry was now in hot pursuit. Colonel Frank Tompkins had managed to gather 32 cavalrymen and was nipping at the heels of the fleeing Mexicans. His troops sighted Villa’s rear guard and killed over thirty men and horses. Colonel Tompkins kept up the chase for eight hours and killed a number of stragglers as well as more of Villa’s rear guard. Lacking supplies, Tompkins and his cavalrymen were forced to return to Camp Furlong. On their way back, they counted 75 to 100 Villistas killed during their hastily organized pursuit.

The populace of Columbus was in a state of hysteria. The American cavalry troops collected the bodies of the Villistas that had been shot in the streets and on the outskirts of town and piled them on funeral pyres and cremated them. For a day or more the fires smoldered and the odor of burning flesh permeated the air. Columbus lay virtually demolished, so completely burned and pillaged that it never recovered its former vitality.

To prevent repetitions of the Columbus outrage, President Wilson called out 15,000 militia and stationed them along the U.S. - Mexico border. Wilson also informed President Carranza that he intended to send a military expedition into northern Mexico to capture Pancho Villa, and Carranza reluctantly agreed. President Wilson then appointed Brigadier General John J. Pershing to lead 4,800 troops (mostly cavalry), supported by aircraft and motorized military vehicles (the first time either were used in U.S. warfare) on a punitive expedition into Mexico to capture Villa.

However, there was a catch to Pershing’s mission orders from Wilson that would be decisive in the end. Pershing was to pursue and punish Villa, but not to upset the Carranza government by firing on any of his troops. The futility of Wilson’s orders was plain even before the expedition began, when the local Carranzista commander at nearby Palomas threatened to attack the Americans. Pershing was only able to stave off an incident by hiring the man as a guide for his troops. Carranza would take advantage of Wilson’s restrictions to make life miserable for the Punitive Expedition throughout their mission.

Meanwhile, back in the United States, National Guard units were being called out to secure the U.S. - Mexico border. Units of the Georgia National Guard were mobilized at Camp Harris, Macon, Georgia during July 1916 and sent to Camp Cotton, Fort Bliss, near El Paso, Texas in October.

Another interesting parallel to today ... Here we have a progressive president sending troops into a country that was not at war with the United States in search of the leader of an organization that specialized in terrorist tactics... And then proceeded to handcuff the troops in the field. This really drives home the old saying "Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it".

So .... What has changed?


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aliens; usmexicanborder; vanity
A little historical perspective on a modern debate....
1 posted on 04/28/2010 5:03:31 PM PDT by hoosier_RW_conspirator
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To: hoosier_RW_conspirator

The border is international territory. Therefore, the military can be used.


2 posted on 04/28/2010 5:05:49 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Obamunism: You have two cows. The regime redistributes them and shoots you dead)
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To: hoosier_RW_conspirator

Aw I thought I was going to be first to say “Pershing”.

But your article put it’s there.

So there.


3 posted on 04/28/2010 5:06:01 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: hoosier_RW_conspirator

Obunmmer is a bandit.


4 posted on 04/28/2010 5:06:33 PM PDT by bunkerhill7
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The problem I have is it establishes yet another precedent that can be abused by future administrations.

Whatever good intentions of any policy/program, it seems to always wind up a disaster 10 years later.


5 posted on 04/28/2010 5:09:07 PM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: hoosier_RW_conspirator

The 102nd Cavalry of the New Jersey National Guard was called up and sent to the border and then into Mexico to go after Villa, under Pershing’s command. The CINC was Wilson!


6 posted on 04/28/2010 5:17:00 PM PDT by Freds2nd
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To: Vendome

PATTON was also involved, part of Pershing’s staff.


7 posted on 04/28/2010 5:20:30 PM PDT by Don W (I only keep certain folks' numbers in my 'phone so I know NOT to answer when they call)
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To: Don W

Yep.


8 posted on 04/28/2010 5:38:52 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: hoosier_RW_conspirator

It doesn’t really matter, as long as our sorry @$$ C-I-C uses the same “both hands tied behind your back” rules of engagement as he forces our troops to use in combat.


9 posted on 04/28/2010 5:41:14 PM PDT by airborne ("It's a great day for hockey!" - 'Badger' Bob Johnson (RIP))
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To: hoosier_RW_conspirator
The USA could declare that it's sovereignty is being violated by Mexico's failure to control it's citizens at the border. Congress could then vote a declaration to inform mexico it has 90 days to stop border intrusion after which time if not rectified then the US marines will invade Mexico to within 1 mile of mexican territory until order and respect of borders is established .

Much simpler would be to enforce existing law and fine any business or individual that hires an illegal alien, and then to allow local LE and the border patrol to profile invaders

10 posted on 04/28/2010 9:14:28 PM PDT by KTM rider ( ..........tell me this really isn't happening ! !)
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