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Paid sick leave pushed for low-income workers
sanluisobispo.com ^ | 4/28/10 | TONY PUGH

Posted on 04/28/2010 4:33:09 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3

Fresh off passage of a sweeping health care overhaul, the Obama administration is supporting legislation to provide mandatory paid sick leave for more than 30 million additional workers, who are some of nation's lowest-paid employees.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: lowincome; sickleave
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1 posted on 04/28/2010 4:33:09 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3
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To: TornadoAlley3
Which will instantly result in over half of them being layed off due to rising business costs.

Liberals seem to have a genetic abnormality that prohibits them from understanding reality. Or perhaps they just did too much LSD in college.

2 posted on 04/28/2010 4:35:11 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: TornadoAlley3

I thought people already received paid sick leave. It may only be three to five days a year, but it is still paid sick leave. This is nothing new. I guess President is trying to take credit for this program.


3 posted on 04/28/2010 4:35:16 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: TornadoAlley3

That will add millions more to the unemployment rolls.


4 posted on 04/28/2010 4:35:36 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: John O

Which will instantly result in over half of them being layed off due to rising business costs.

The other half who stay will be thrilled. /sarc.


5 posted on 04/28/2010 4:35:53 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: TornadoAlley3

If given a week a year, they’ll take 2. This will help do what BO wants...put business out of business.


6 posted on 04/28/2010 4:36:41 AM PDT by albie
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To: John O

It’s a genetic abnormality. Not even LSD could do that much damage.


7 posted on 04/28/2010 4:36:53 AM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Supposed “compassionate” legislation almost invariably has adverse consequences that the sponsors either didn’t recognize or did and couldn’t care less about. If you give paid sick leave, you end up with a situation like I used to see years ago when I was a federal employee: staff who called in “sick” the third Wednesday of every month so they could take full advantage of 12 annual paid sick days. Essentially, it becomes 2.5 weeks of additional paid vacation for those who would abuse the “system”.


8 posted on 04/28/2010 4:36:59 AM PDT by laconic
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To: napscoordinator
I thought people already received paid sick leave. It may only be three to five days a year, but it is still paid sick leave. This is nothing new. I guess President is trying to take credit for this program.

This is about part timers. Very few of them get sick days. This would mean everyone in the U.S. who works gets sick days. I would bet this is aimed at migrant workers and very low wage employees like waitresses and waiters.

9 posted on 04/28/2010 4:37:56 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: napscoordinator

I receive no paid sick leave at all in my job. If you are deathly ill, you have to take a vacation day or an unexcused day that screws you all the way round. So, I come to work sick and pass it around to everyone. Unintended consequences......


10 posted on 04/28/2010 4:38:28 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Mandatory sick leave for part time and seasonal workers is what the activist are after. They voted it through on a referendum in Milwaukee. Even though the measure has yet to take effect, I can personally point to dozens of positions that were eliminated as a result.

Why in the world would you offer paid sick leave to high school kids and layabouts who come and go from jobs.

It’s things like these that will ensure that there will be a massive shortage of entry level jobs as well.


11 posted on 04/28/2010 4:41:46 AM PDT by sbMKE
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To: TornadoAlley3

Most sane companies stopped having sick time years ago. Sick time was just treated like an entitlement that everybody used every year whether they were sick or not. Instead, many companies have Paid Time Off that you can use for vacation, sick days, funerals, to meet with the cable guy, or whatever. It makes a whole lot more sense than trying to micromanage someone’s time off.


12 posted on 04/28/2010 4:44:26 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: laconic

Need to be careful though... If you force someone to come to work when they have the flu...that virus will spread to everyone in the office and destroy your production numbers.

Not to mention your employee could spread it to your customers.

So not paying that one or two days off can come back to bite you.


13 posted on 04/28/2010 4:44:46 AM PDT by jerry557
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To: John O

http://conservativehideout.com/wordpress/2010/04/26/why-do-leftists-deny-reality/

Why Do Leftists Deny Reality?

By MattPublished: April 26, 2010
Posted in: Counter-Revolutionary Activities, Culture Wars, Tea parties

Ever try to argue facts and information with a Liberal? Ever come away from the encounter frustrated? Well, there’s a reason for that. Here are some excerpts from an interview with Yuri Bezmenov, a defector from the Soviet Union.

“I know that intelligence gathering looks more romantic…. That’s probably why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond types of films. But in reality the main emphasis of the KGB is NOT in the area of intelligence at all.

According to my opinion, and the opinions of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such.

The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.

It’s a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages.

The first stage being “demoralization“. It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years?

Because this is the minimum number of years required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of [their] enemy.

In other words, Marxism-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least 3 generation of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism; American patriotism.

The result? The result you can see — most of the people who graduated in the 60’s, dropouts or half-baked intellectuals, are now occupying the positions of power in the government, civil service, business, mass media, and educational systems.

You are stuck with them. You can’t get through to them. They are contaminated. They are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern can not change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information.

Even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still can not change the basic perception and the logic of behavior. [alluding to Pavlov].
So, It would seem, by the admission of a former KGB official, that their efforts were successful. If fact, the progress has even exceeded their expectations…

The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already for the last 25 years.

Actually, it’s over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas where not even Comrade Andropov and all his experts would even dream of such tremendous success.

Most of it is done by Americans to Americans thanks to lack of moral standards. As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore.

A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures. …he will refuse to believe it…. That’s the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.”

Mind you, these words were spoken in the 80’s.

It seems hopeless, but it isn’t. Since the last term of Bush, and especially since Obama’s election, more and more Conservatives have been speaking out. While the left has entrenched and are attacking with all of their resources (which are considerable), they are losing the debate, as well as the battle for public opinion. Our advantage is that they are still, in spite of their best efforts, a small minority. Our disadvantage is that while the left is statistically small, they are extremely well placed. Since their “long march through the institutions,” their impact reaches far beyond their numbers.

As usual, here are some ideas on how to deal with this situation:

1. Don’t engage a leftist unless you can bury them in facts. It won’t matter to the leftist, but anyone else that can see, hear, or read might be convinced by reality.

2. Stay on message. Leftists, when hit with reality, will change the subject to something that they think they use against you. The classic, “Where were you when Bush was POTUS?” is easily answered by saying, “where are you now?” You might be tempted to state that most of us didn’t agree with Bush’s policies, but then you are talking about history, and not what’s happening now. Also, you are defending yourself rather than dealing with Obama’s policies. Thread hijacking, ad-hominem attacks, lies, and logical fallacies are all part of the leftist playbook. Point out that they are not responding to content, and move on with your point. If they get shrill, let them, because you win!

3. Don’t allow yourself to be distracted. The infiltrators, the “anarchists,” and the MSM are all lying and/or threatening the movement. While these need to be addressed, they don’t have to be a primary focus. From what I saw, the Tea Parties did a fantastic job of identifying the infiltrators. That, and the message still got out, and that is the key. As for the MSM, let them say what they will. This blog, and many others, expose their lies on a regular basis. When they lie, and anyone can look it up on-line and see the truth, the more audience they will lose. Let them fall on their own swords. Basically, if your adversary is self destructing, get out of the way and let them.

4. Facts, facts, and non-violence are our weapons of choice. Stick with those, and we win. Forget the left, they cannot be convinced of anything. They will likely not overcome their programming. We are trying to convince the people that aren’t sure, and might still be able to think a bit. That too is working. More people are coming to our cause all the time.

5. Educate yourselves. Read, watch, and learn. A knowledgeable opponent will give the average leftist fits. Again, when they get shrill, we win.

6. Stay calm. If you lose your cool, you lose. The goal of the leftist, beyond taking you off message, is to upset you and make you lash out, rendering you ineffective.

“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.”
— Mahatma Gandhi


14 posted on 04/28/2010 4:47:37 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: All

quick story- worked for a supermarket chain back in college, it was a union shop. We had more than a few employees that practiced the art of selective illness. They would come in to work deathly ill, dragging every form of influenza and rhino virus with them. During with winter, the breakroom was known as the “ER” because so many people were in there hacking their lungs out. We used to get changed in the cooler and take leaks by the loading dock because nobody wanted to go in there. On payday, they would brag to each other about the time that had left to accumulate 8 hours of sick leave so they can all go skiing or visit the strip clubs in Canada.
Meanwhile I worked there, worked shoveling/plowing snow, had an internship and attended college full time.

People don’t need any more paid sick-time.


15 posted on 04/28/2010 4:51:34 AM PDT by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

One thing that’s gotta be said for Obama - he spends other people’s money faster than any man in history.


16 posted on 04/28/2010 4:52:34 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: TornadoAlley3

the minimum wage class needs paid sick leave so they can spend more time getting free obamacare

Dear Uncle, I feel ill- send me money


17 posted on 04/28/2010 5:10:53 AM PDT by silverleaf (Karl Marx was not one of the founding fathers ....)
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To: jerry557
But in the case of low income and part time workers it costs you double. Not only do you have to pay the person who is out sick, but you also have to call in another worker to fill their spot and pay them as well.

Or you go with one less (or who knows, maybe two or three) worker and pile it on those who managed to show up for work that day.

There are also a great many, who, when offered "sick" days feel entitled to use them whether they are legitimately sick or not. Blue Flu will be rampant.

18 posted on 04/28/2010 5:12:58 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Shoulda thought about that BEFORE you elected a Marxist Muzzie Sympathizer)
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To: TornadoAlley3

I agree that workers should have paid sick leave. But they should negotiate it with their employers.

Of course, if the Hussein regime mandates paid sick leave, the small number of employers who do not already provide it will simply cut salaries or delay or reduce raises to compensate. This will end up hurting the workers the mandate is supposed to help.


19 posted on 04/28/2010 5:13:18 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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To: John O
Or perhaps they just did too much LSD in college.

You mean too much LDS?

20 posted on 04/28/2010 7:51:07 AM PDT by houeto (Get drinking water from your ditch - http://www.junglebucket.com/Jungle-Bucket-1.htm)
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