I’m not sure if I agree with this. Stopping people in their cars to check for citizenship opens up a whole can of worms for abusing 4th amendment rights. Just imagine that a cop stops someone who turns out to be a lawful citizen, then oops, I see a gun in that car. Do you have a conceal carry license?
The answer is to enforce the existing immigration laws on the books. To go after the employers with fines and stiff penalties when illegal workers are found at their workplaces. And to deport the illegals from there. No available work for illegal immigrants, no illegal immigrants.
You don't need a concealed carry license to carry a gun unconcealed. But I tend to agree with your point, if that's what this law does.
Good point. Also, denying illegals a place to live through prrof of citizenship for home ownership or rentals. There are all sorts of ways to get em out. But I still support Arizona on their move to get the illegals out.
I have the same concerns, as do many in this poll.
But I've asked several Mexican American friends the same question -- Would it bother you if were stopped based on looking Hispanic? The answer was no -- minor hassle, no different than dealing with airport security. One asked me if we'd ever been stopped in Mexico and identified as American -- the answer was yes! Last time we were in Baja, the government police (with automatic weapons and wearing ski masks) stopped us on the highway and asked for our passports.
My husband is often mistaken for being light Hispanic, he'd probably be subject to questioning in Arizona, too!
No, it doesn't.
They stop people for DL checks and proof of insurance checks in my state. Have for some time. Got stopped in one. The car next to me was driven by an illegal. They didn't wave him through. ;) At the very least, he lost his car.
Arizona has chosen by its elected representation to submit to a process which is in fact carried out routinely for other suspicions, lane changing, open bottle, etc. And there were regularly roadblocks for DWI, License, etc.
We are being INVADED, how else can one put it?
If the Chinese Army, i.e. "illegal" invaders walked in enmasse and commandeered our schools and hospitals, but life still went on in some fashion for you and I, would we be complicit?
Of course there are many ways the federal Government could arrest the invasion, employers, border security, hospital reporting, etc. but it will not do it.
And it will not do it intentionally because Democrats want the votes!
How obvious is it?
“Do you have a conceal carry license?”
I don’t know what state your from, but I have been stopped and the first question is; Are you carrying? It’s all on the computer from your license number before they approach your car.
“The answer is to enforce the existing immigration laws on the books.”
You need to read the federal law that is already on the books... The AZ law just copies it for the most part.
Police in many states if not nationwide already use “reasonable suspicion” in the daily course of enforcing many laws- ranging from DWI to murder investigations. The only thing different about this law is the law that will be enforced. Many talking heads seem to think the “reasonable suspicion” wording is what will get this law overturned. If so then many incarcerated people in Arizona and elsewhere will have to be turned loose as that legal term was used to stop and question them. It usually goes like this...person driving is weaving all over the road- crossing center line once is enough though- bang- reasonable suspicion for traffic stop for DWI and other posible offenses- then officer “checks papers” e.g. driver’s license, insurance, registration- at that point determines whether or not to administer field sobriety test or breath test for alcohol- if subject fails tests then said officer has reached “probable cause” for arrest. Remember it all started with “reasonable suspicion” and your fear about the gun being found in car- already happens and legal under the law for one scenerio to lead to another issue.
I can see individual cases overturned due to officer not meeting the legal standard of reasonable suspicion in that case. That already happens with other law enforcement of course. I don’t see the law itself being overturned, at least not on that issue.
Don’t swallow the lies the media and liberals are selling- this part of the law at least is no different than the way things are done now.
“Just imagine that a cop stops someone who turns out to be a lawful citizen, then oops, I see a gun in that car. Do you have a conceal carry license?”
Not a problem. Open carry without a license is lawful in Arizona. Concealed carry without a special license soon will be.
And if you do anything wrong while on public roads, the police already have the right to search for further
evidence of lawbreaking.