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All humor aside because this whole scenario is pretty funny. Should a misdemeanor become a felony because someone is gay or was thought to be gay? If they were targeting old folks it would be a misdemeanor. If they were targeting a young white guy who didn't look gay it would be a misdemeanor.


1 posted on 04/26/2010 12:51:35 AM PDT by Maelstorm
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SNIPPET from post no. 1:


"They shot the man in the cheek and were caught soon after when the victim — while giving a report to police — spotted their car still in the area. The victim was not seriously injured, police said.

Investigators found the rifle and camera, which contained footage of 11 additional attacks that appeared to occur in San Francisco.

There was not enough evidence to pursue charges in the other attacks, said Brian Buckelew of the District Attorney's Office."

2 posted on 04/26/2010 1:12:09 AM PDT by Cindy
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2 things you’re wrong on Maelstrom

1) Current federal hate crimes protects against crimes motivated, “on the basis of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability.”

So if a group of individuals decide, “Hey, let’s go attack some white guys”, that could still be a hate crime because its targeting people based on race/color/gender.

2) It isn’t a felony only because the targets were thought to be gay. Its a felony because of a charge like, “discharge of a firearm with gross negligence” and “attempted mayhem”.

I dont know why you think its funny some sick weirdos thought it was ok to go shoot at gay people in san francisco. that’s awful.


3 posted on 04/26/2010 1:58:46 AM PDT by ca209guy (not very funny to me)
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The oh so tolerant Muslims mix it up with the oh so tolerant gays, who are taking a break from assaulting Prop. 8 supporters.


5 posted on 04/26/2010 2:12:55 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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Media ignorance strikes again. An air rifle is not a BB gun. An air rifle has considerably more velocity short range and accuracy. At close range they can in fact be deadly. A BB Gun is one pump or one action only, much slower velocity, and less accuracy. IOW an air rifle is not the same thing as a Red Ryder BB gun and the same precautions as any other firearm should be used.
6 posted on 04/26/2010 2:21:39 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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(Muslims go on Rampage with BB gun)

LOL, Muzzies are not very deep thinkers. A BB gun is not the weapon of choice if you're going to be rampaging ;^)

7 posted on 04/26/2010 2:22:07 AM PDT by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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When Sacred Cows Collide...


10 posted on 04/26/2010 2:46:36 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gov. Chris Christie (R) won the NJ-6 held by Rep. Frank Pallone (D) by a 15.5% margin!)
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"...discharge of a firearm..."

???

14 posted on 04/26/2010 3:49:22 AM PDT by cake_crumb (President Reagan on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)
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You’re right. A crime should be standardized across actions. This whole “perceived” thing is just wrong and arbitrary. It should be sued out of existence.

What troubles me the most, though, is this part of the article: “40 hours of hate-crime sensitivity training”.

Who decides what that is? It sounds like re-education camps. You should be able to think as you like. Battery and assault are completely different. This is a religious belief taken over the line. The punishment goes too far as well in trying to realign the mind.


18 posted on 04/26/2010 5:19:02 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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I would say that it was fortunate that their victims were gay.

Not because of any animosity I have towards gay people, but because if they had been attacking straight white men, the SF cops would have patted them on the head, handed their BB guns back, and filed the crime under "Oh, those wild and crazy Muslim kids...."

Good that they were locked up. I'm not entirely happy about the hate-crime aspect of the case, but that's a discussion for another day.

BTW, this is the first that I've heard of the event. IMHO, I'd call it terrorism.

20 posted on 04/26/2010 6:24:23 AM PDT by wbill
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The men pleaded guilty Monday to a charge of negligent discharge of a BB gun, but with a hate-crime enhancement.

Screw the "hate crime" angle. It's assault and battery. Should be good for plenty, all on it's own.

And the victim should look into Pink Pistols.

23 posted on 04/26/2010 6:59:40 AM PDT by Lee N. Field (Dispensational exegesis not supported by an a-, post- or historic pre-mil scholar will be ignored.)
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“That’s why (the allegation) is important.”

So, it’s not what was actually done, but what people want to politicize from it?

Hate crimes are a travesty of the law. No crime is done in “love.”

A crime, done to a specific “group” of privileged people, does not make it any more heinous.

28 posted on 04/26/2010 8:25:12 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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35 years ago in Coconut Grove, Fla a kid I went to high school with pumped up a crossman bb gun 12 times and shot a fag in the chest outside the local gay bar in a drive by.

Collapsed the guy’s lung. Judge gave the kid 12 mos. probation.


51 posted on 04/26/2010 8:12:34 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Don't think of work as 5 days on, 2 days off. Instead think 4 nights on, 3 off.)
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