1 A - Marie had two foreign born parents, at least one of which was naturalized at her birth, but both of whom expressly rejected US citizenship.
1 B - Barry had one parent who was a citizen by birth, and a father who was not a US citizen at all.
2 A - Marie was taken to Sweden at 4 and raised as a Swede with Swedish parents.
2 B - Barry was raised primarily in the USA, by his mother and grandparents. His presumed father has no record of ever living with the mother, abandoned both (if possible) at a very early age, and only saw Barry one time. In addition, he was not a legal husband at the time, since he was already legally married to another woman.
3 A - Having spent most of her life abroad, Marie was a citizen by birth, a native citizen, and a natural born citizen. A native born citizen is presumed to be allowed to run for President.
3 B - Barry, having lived most of his life in the US and with no evidence he ever accepted any other citizenship, ran and was elected President, and certified by Congress with no dissent.
I understand birthers will continue to disagree that Barry was eligible. However, it seems clear to me that there IS a reasonable case to be made on the other side that Barry is a citizen, a native born citizen, and a natural born citizen as used by the US Supreme Court.
One doesn't remove a President from office lightly. To override the decision by the people as accepted by Congress would require an "open/shut" case - and I don't see this as "open/shut". While I think birthers have a reasonable interpretation, it doesn't seem to be well supported by the law - and certainly is not so overpowering as to justify removing Obama from office, if he was indeed born in Hawaii.
Just IMHO. Thoughts?
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I believe Obama was adopted by his Indo-Nesian stepfather and was declared to be an Indonesian when he entered school. Did he later register as an American?
It is outrageous though that common citizens are told that they have “no standing” and are frustrated by all three branches of our government from having Obama’s eligibility fully examined and resolved.
This fundamental flaw in our legislative and legal process needs to be fixed. It isn't just the natural born status of this particular president, surely other constitutional questions will arise in the future and a rational system for prompt and thorough resolution needs to be provided.
Not if he was born in Kenya.
Only a bona fide birth certificate can tell us where he was born.
Makes you wonder why he won't produce a birth certificate.
I will bet you one thing, though. He never intended to run for a second term.
Marie in your case didn’t run for President. The standards for being President of the United States are higher than the standards for being a private citizen. I don’t understand how you could compare the two cases.
As of yet, we have no proof that Obama was born in the territory of the United States do we?
We have hearsay, second and third hand information
provided by very biased and agenda driven people.
Just show the Congress, and the world your birth
certificate (not COLB). I would seem very simple
don’t you think?
“The Court makes no distinction between “native born” and “natural born citizen”.”
That’s an interesting statement.
This is very interesting....and would take away the argument that “since Barack Obama, Sr was not a US citizen...Barack Obama, Jr is not natural born and cannot be President”
However....it still does not prove whether Barack, Jr was born in the United States....which the long form BC would prove. To be natural born, one must be born on US soil (which includes US territories)
Since Barack Obama has refused to allow his BC to be released...and has fought many challenges to it....he obviously is not born in the USA
Barry is a citizen,
a native born citizen,
and a natural born citizen as used by the US Supreme Court.
Because the issue in the above case was merely the citizenship of the lady, and not whether she was a "natural born citizen" I don't see that it applies - except for being a very clear precident that the "Indonesian Appeal" facet of birtherism may not have much merit.
No, Obama’s NBC status is definitely not an open and shut case. There is significant evidence on both sides of the argument. But whether or not a SCOTUS ruling would overturn the will of the people, this issue, IMHO, should be decided to firmly establish the law and set legal precedent. I don’t believe it is an absolute that Obama would have won the election had the question of his NBC status been widely known. So one could argue that the will of the people was preempted and thwarted.
Regarding Elg’s mother’s citizenship status, I believe she was automatically naturalized when her husband became so. I’ll try to find the relevant law and post it here. If I am correct, Elg would be a NBC as stipulated.
And why was it noted that:
Modified and affirmed.
MR. JUSTICE DOUGLAS took no part in the consideration and decision of this case.
Native Jus Soli (right of soil)
Natural Jus Soli & Jus Sanguinis (right of soil and right of blood)
Again - my opinion, but I do believe this was the intent of the Natural born clause as it is placed on the President and Vice President only.
One doesn't take Article II of the Constitution lightly.
To override the decision by the people as accepted by Congress would require an "open/shut" case
What has greater authority: Presidential elections themselves or the Constitution that provides for those Presidential elections -- and the qualifications thereof???
I disagree withe 3A of your statement. She was never called Natural Born. Naturalized, I can understand, her father deferred citizenship to her by virture of naturalization one year before her birth. The fact that he denounced his citizenship after her birth, does not remove her dual citizenship right, unless she renounces her citizenship personally after the age of consent. which she did not do.
Obama is a whole nuther kettle of fish. His father was never a US citizen. We have no evidence of where he was born, and it is not forthcoming. His mother, a US citizen, was not in the US long enough before Obamas birth to defer citizenship either.
In the end, Obama’s father is not a US Citizen, and never became one Before obamas birth or at any time in his life.
Obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen, and until evidence is provided, has not even proven he is a naturalized citizen IMO.
Maries father was naturalized before her birth, therefor she has a claim for NBC if her mother was a citizen. Refer to Vattels for NBC, sometimes courts make bad decisions which can be over turned. There are a lot of questions and bo was counting on that.
It's irrelevant where they were born, or, if after giving birth to their daughter, they rejected their citizenship. They were both naturalized U.S. citizens at the time of her birth on American soil, therefore she is a "natural born citizen" by long-time Vattel definition.
And of course the old addage applies -- difficult cases make bad precedent.
Aside from all of this, I believe he is the only president to have spent his formative years on foreign soil. Military children born or being stationed overseas (such as McCain) are different situations.
Obama was never raised with respect and love for this country! He did not grow up saying the pledge, or singing ‘God Bless America’ - that is for sure. His only religious teachings were Muslim, and, from all accounts, his mother and grandparents were atheists and leaned toward communism.
He is what the founding fathers wanted to avoid when they said natural born. They knew that a child not raised in this society would not have the reverence and respect for the history of the country. That is why Barry bows to other leaders...he is not really an American in his heart. His allegiance lies elsewhere. It is his goal to weaken America. Our founding fathers did not want this type of person to be elected. We may as well open the doors to the whole world for our presidency if this situation is not addressed and addressed thoroughly. I believe this will set a precedent, and we will have make an amendment to our constitution to further clarify eligibility. At the very least, an amendment will have to written that all candidates must provide a legal birth certificate.
I told you yesterday what the score was with Elg and of course you didn't believe me. Elg's mother became a US citizen when her husband was naturalized as a US citizen. See 1855 Naturalization Act.
Her parentS were both US citizens at her birth and Ms. Elg was born in the United States. She meets the de Vattel definition as a Natural Born Citizen.
You're grasping at straws.
I told you yesterday what the score was with Elg and of course you didn't believe me. Elg's mother became a US citizen when her husband was naturalized as a US citizen. See 1855 Naturalization Act.
Her parentS were both US citizens at her birth and Ms. Elg was born in the United States. She meets the de Vattel definition as a Natural Born Citizen.
You're grasping at straws.
I have a slightly different question about his eligibility. Since the president has amassed a huge group of lawyers to protect his previous work history and college history, what is the possibility that he’s hiding that info because he committed fraud (if he was actually a US citizen), by applying for resources for college by stating that he was a “foreigner” ..??
And .. if that is true, did he LIE about his status, or was he really a foreigner ..??
I just became curious about this because it seemed that the documents that were being hidden were mostly related to his education .. and I just can’t help but wonder if he lied about his status in order to receive grants to school - grants that he would not have been eligible for as a “natural born citizen”.
On April 1st - a story was floated (supposedly as an April Fool’s joke), that Occidential had released Obama’s application (under the FOIA) and the application stated that he listed himself as a “foreigner”. While it was reported that this article was put forth by AP, I never could find any disclaimer by AP that they didn’t write the story .. nor did AP seek after the person who purportedly lied about AP putting forth the story. Weird.
To me .. this makes it even more curious.
If this is ever proven - that he listed himself as a foreigner - when he was actually a natural born citizen - I do believe that is FRAUD - and after all this time, is that still punishable ..??